AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[DarrenM343]

Oh will you stop, all you read from that post was "AMD can't compete" There isn't much logic in Darren's post, only the usual AMD is doomed.

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Oi, I don't think they're doomed . I may even invest some money in their shares if/when I think there's a decent entry point.
My post was coming from the feeling I get that some seem to think matching the performance of now older tech with new tech is somehow fantastic and going to decide the winner this/next year? Maybe I've mis-understood some of the posts.....

And I do get it about competing at price points and clawing back market share and profit but the downside with that is the competition can then drop their prices. As some guy once said in a movie (and don't take this seriously), "We can dump the stock just to burn your ar**" . I think we all know there's a lot of "lack of competition" in Nvidia's pricing right now. If that changes, so will their pricing too I have no doubt especially as their new gen will be getting closer - they're in complete control at the moment and only a hint of superior performing products will change that.

So yeah, I agree small gains will be good for AMD but going back to the post I replied to previously, how does that make them the winner ? . As I mentioned in others posts too, R&D gets cheaper to reach a performance level over time, so of course 9months or so later AMD should be able to bring new similar performing products to market more cheaply than the competition did 9 or whatever months earlier but there's nothing stand out about doing that.

 

[nashathedog]

Where is the evidence the 480 sold well? 1060 dominating on steam.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

It's unreliable, How do you update it when your hardware changes? From what I can see you can't. Hence why AMD's 7000 series are the most used AMD cards, Apparently.

 

[Rroff]

It's unreliable, How do you update it when your hardware changes? From what I can see you can't. Hence why AMD's 7000 series are the most used AMD cards, Apparently.

It isn't the most reliable but its generally approximately right - and the 480 was out a little longer so should have a slight edge in representation.

 

[nashathedog]

If Vega can give a performance increase over the Fury that's anywhere from 30 to 50% with a decent amount of memory ie minimum of 8 gb's it'll sit well for me. I've a 3440x1440 freesync monitor with a working range of 35 to 75, my Fury pro manages to keep inside that with plenty of tweaking and it provides a great gaming experience so even if it's at the lower end of that 30 to 50% guesstimate it'll still do a great job.

 

[Bonjour]

Steam survey doesn't take into account miners, with whom the RX480 has been quite popular.

 

[nashathedog]

It isn't the most reliable but its generally approximately right - and the 480 was out a little longer so should have a slight edge in representation.

My point was that I remember filling it out when I had a 3570k and HD7850 but I've been unable to update it since and have been through 3 cpu's and maybe 5 gpu's in that time. So if my experience with it is similar to others it stands to reason that it's very outdated.

 

[Rroff]

My point was that I remember filling it out when I had a 3570k and HD7850 but I've been unable to update it since and have been through 3 cpu's and maybe 5 gpu's in that time. So if my experience with it is similar to others it stands to reason that it's very outdated.

It polls a proportion of the member base at regular intervals - personally I've had the popup twice in the last 6 months but didn't bother with it (if you look at stuff like the VR stats overall its data can't be that outdated).

 

[Final8y]

My point was that I remember filling it out when I had a 3570k and HD7850 but I've been unable to update it since and have been through 3 cpu's and maybe 5 gpu's in that time. So if my experience with it is similar to others it stands to reason that it's very outdated.

The last time i was asked was when i got my 5970's. I have had 3 CPU and 6 GPUs since then.
The fact that some users get asked multiple times a year and others get asked once a decade means something is off with the survey.

 

[Rroff]

Steam survey doesn't take into account miners, with whom the RX480 has been quite popular.

Granted there will be a percentage of people who mine and don't do any gaming stuff so will never appear on stuff like steam stats - but mining ain't half as popular as it used to be and GPU mining has largely dropped off in profitability in favour of custom ASICs, etc.

The fact that some users get asked multiple times a year and others get asked once a decade means something is off with the survey.

Not really - there are well over 100 million steam users with around 10 million logged in at any one time - they only need to sample a reasonable proportion to get a fairly accurate picture and that does mean some users will hardly ever see the survey pop up and others more frequently. I just remembered I use more than one steam account as well so not sure off the top of my head whether I saw the survey multiple times on the same account or split over different accounts.

 

[qwerty567111]

The last time i was asked was when i got my 5970's. I have had 3 CPU and 6 GPUs since then.
The fact that some users get asked multiple times a year and others get asked once a decade means something is off with the survey.

Yeah, I've only every had it once, a v long time ago, when I still had my 670. Since my last upgrade I was looking for the survey but I couldn't find it so assumed you can't do it manually which is a bummer

 

[eddyr]

RX480 did not sold well, the demands is seemed slowed down but both 1070 and 1060 are the fastest growth popular cards, 1060 outsold RX480 4 to 1 worldwide. it amazed both 1070 and 1060 are in the top 10 rank and it will be very interesting next month to see how far it will move up the rank.

I visited a retailer website which has real time sales tracking and added up all the totals through Pascal and Polaris sales lifetime.

12,340 RX480
5,810 RX470
2,295 RX460

13,790 1080
31,795 1070
27,230 1060
3,260 1050 Ti
495 1050

The figures build a very interesting picture showed there was not much growth in RX480 as demands seemed either slowed down or stalled, it is incredible to see 1060 outsold RX480, RX470 and RX460 all combined. I am surprised many people preferred to buy more expensive 1050 Ti over cheaper 1050 and it is nearly 2 months old easy outsold RX460 which was launched back in August. 1070 and 1060 are the most popular Pascal graphics cards that matched Steam survey data.

I also hear Durex outsold all GPU sales this year in just one quarter. Clearly both Polaris and Pascal did not sold well.

Is it really so amazing and incredible? From you retailer data its a 2:1 sales ratio of the 1060 and 480 competing products. Seems quite .... as expected. Where are you getting your worldwide figures and how are you measuring growth?

 

[eddyr]

Granted there will be a percentage of people who mine and don't do any gaming stuff so will never appear on stuff like steam stats - but mining ain't half as popular as it used to be and GPU mining has largely dropped off in profitability in favour of custom ASICs, etc.



Not really - there are well over 100 million steam users with around 10 million logged in at any one time - they only need to sample a reasonable proportion to get a fairly accurate picture and that does mean some users will hardly ever see the survey pop up and others more frequently. I just remembered I use more than one steam account as well so not sure off the top of my head whether I saw the survey multiple times on the same account or split over different accounts.

If that's their approach they should disregard historic data which it doesn't look like they do. Otherwise its only at its most informative in the launch period for only the most recent generation cards and gets progressively inaccurate over time. Should a 1080ti come out then even current gen (480/1070/1080) data potentially gets progressively more misrepresentative over time.


Edit:
NVM, was under a diff impression for some reason, I looked at their tables and see what they do now, comparing the monthly sample.

 

[Doom112]

Freesync is greater than G-Sync?

More variety, cheaper, which is a dream for any PC gamer.

 

[humbug]

I have explained it - in terms of wider (global) sales figures the 1060 has outsold the 480 by a much bigger margin than the representation on your typical tech forum, etc. (even if that is somewhat due to the usage by system builders, etc.) that isn't any reflection on the impact of the 480.

Your figures don't mean the 1060 hasn't sold or give any indication of numbers sold - just means that it hasn't pulled significantly from the AMD customer base, that new customer uptake split hasn't changed the balance and that most of the sales are nVidia customers upgrading.

Those figures make up total sales for both vendors.

At the time all AMD had on sale was leftover 390X's/Fury Nano's and the RX 470/480

With that they managed 29% of all GPU's sold, this against Nvidia's left over 960/970/980/980TI and the 1070/1080.

In Q3 Nvidia added the 1060, if it outsold the 480 by what you say it did it would have made a dent in AMD market share, it didn't, end quarter 3 AMD still sold 29% of market share.

PS: On 'Big river'.com the best selling pre-build PC had an RX 480 in it, it still is right now....

There is no OEM PC with a GTX 1060 in it in the top 20, infact its a struggle to find one, RX 470/480 OEM PC's are easy to find.

 

[Rroff]

In Q3 Nvidia added the 1060, if it outsold the 480 by what you say it did it would have made a dent in AMD market share, it didn't, end quarter 3 AMD still sold 29% of market share.

Nope doesn't say that - all it says is that whatever volume sold it didn't pull from existing AMD customers in any significant volume - whatever the 1060 sold it was a combination of either new customers that were previously not AMD or nVidia (and in which case there would have to be no change in the balance of new customers going towards AMD or nVidia) or current nVidia customers upgrading - the downward trend on the GPUs nVidia customers would be most likely to upgrade to a 1060 from tend to bear out a good amount is nVidia customers upgrading.

PS: On 'Big river'.com the best selling pre-build PC had an RX 480 in it, it still is right now....

There is no OEM PC with a GTX 1060 in it in the top 20, infact its a struggle to find one, RX 470/480 OEM PC's are easy to find.

If you look on the big US sellers like newegg there are 1060 systems.

 

[humbug]

Nope doesn't say that - all it says is that whatever volume sold it didn't pull from existing AMD customers in any significant volume - whatever the 1060 sold it was a combination of either new customers that were previously not AMD or nVidia (and in which case there would have to be no change in the balance of new customers going towards AMD or nVidia) or current nVidia customers upgrading - the downward trend on the GPUs nVidia customers would be most likely to upgrade to a 1060 from tend to bear out a good amount is nVidia customers upgrading.

Granted in that we cannot know who sold more of what, having said that the same then goes for your statement that the GTX 1060 is outselling the RX 480 by large amounts.

AMD market share jumped from 21% to 29% with the introduction of the 480, that's an increase of 25%, people buying AMD grew by 8 percentage points, people buying Nvidia shrank by 8 percentage points.
So what we can take from that is Nvidia lost potential sales to AMD with the introduction of the 480.

If you look on the big US sellers like newegg there are 1060 systems.

Doesn't mean they are selling many of them, they don't outsell the RX 480 here so there is no reason to think they are on Newegg, in fact that other giant US retailer says that is not the case at all.

The only big retailer we know of with any sort of sales tracking are 'big river'.com, there are RX 480 and 470 in the top 20 of best selling OEM PC's, one RX 480 at #1, there isn't a single GTX 1060 in that chart.

Steam is useless for measuring sales as its a measure of what people apparently own, not what they are buying, its also depends on people taking part in a hardware survey, i haven't in years so i'm still down as using a 7870XT, i have been using a 970 for more than a year.

 

[bru]

This really is a pointless argument. Both the 1060 and 480 have sold very well, does it really matter if one has sold more than the other at one site rather than another.

Both are first round, new generation, non 28nm, too expensive for what they are (but not entirely AMD or NVidia fault), mainstream cards. Of course they are going to sell well.


ok that's my five minutes off back to the kitchen for me.

 

[DragonQ]

I plan on getting a 1440p 144 Hz Freesync monitor at some point next year. It seems as if a Fury is the best option for this right now (can be had for under £300 new) but presumably it's worth waiting for Vega considering the Fury is 18 months old already? I guess I could get a used Fury to hold me over if the monitor I want goes on sale sooner rather than later.

Would be interested in thoughts on this.

 

[JediFragger]

I plan on getting a 1440p 144 Hz Freesync monitor at some point next year. It seems as if a Fury is the best option for this right now (can be had for under £300 new) but presumably it's worth waiting for Vega considering the Fury is 18 months old already? I guess I could get a used Fury to hold me over if the monitor I want goes on sale sooner rather than later.

Would be interested in thoughts on this.

Yup, plumping for a used Fury is probably the best idea tbh to tide you over (if you do go for the monitor ahead of time).

 

[DragonQ]

Yup, plumping for a used Fury is probably the best idea tbh to tide you over (if you do go for the monitor ahead of time).

Just searched the MM and found nothing. The last one for sale was actually sold for more than a new one is now.