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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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DarrenM343 said:
That's kind of my point, but beating a competitor 1 year after releasing a product is not the same as beating the competitor the same day of release. Some don't seem to understand that :) and seem to want to call a winner regardless - even if they're ahead for a short time only before the competitor they might have only just beaten release their new range.
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This is certainly valid and I agree 100%... I'm getting a sense VEGA is further off than some people think, and by the time it's released, it's all but certain to be up against the 1080Ti. I doubt Volta will see the light of day by then, but its release will be much closer, therefore it will have consumers and enthusiasts looking to that horizon. So yes, the actual DATE OF RELEASE for VEGA is crucial, but all this talk about it being a 1080 beater... well YEAH, it damn well better be that by some margin, otherwise AMD are destined to remain a budget GPU manufacturer for the foreseeable future, while Nvidia continue to dominate and charge sky high prices. I really hope that doesn't happen... AMD need to deliver in a big way with VEGA.
 
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Legend said:
This is certainly valid and I agree 100%... I'm getting a sense VEGA is further off than some people think, and by the time it's released, it's all but certain to be up against the 1080Ti. I doubt Volta will see the light of day by then, but its release will be much closer, therefore it will have consumers and enthusiasts looking to that horizon. So yes, the actual DATE OF RELEASE for VEGA is crucial, but all this talk about it being a 1080 beater... well YEAH, it damn well better be that by some margin, otherwise AMD are destined to remain a budget GPU manufacturer for the foreseeable future, while Nvidia continue to dominate and charge sky high prices. I really hope that doesn't happen... AMD need to deliver in a big way with VEGA.
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It doesn't need to be. It just needs to be priced right and have good crossfire capability. If it's £450 and a 1080 beater with future proof tech it'll sell.
 
jjgreenwood said:
It doesn't need to be. It just needs to be priced right and have good crossfire capability. If it's £450 and a 1080 beater with future proof tech it'll sell.
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Hoping for decent crossfire is probably a bit to much. All new games seem broken for dual cards, SLI or crossfire. Seems Dev's dont even bother.
 
Finners said:
Hoping for decent crossfire is probably a bit to much. All new games seem broken for dual cards, SLI or crossfire. Seems Dev's dont even bother.
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Agreed - there is a gap in the market in this area. Somewhere that AMD can make up the gap they have in single card performance. A very simple way to sell some more cards.
 
jjgreenwood said:
It doesn't need to be. It just needs to be priced right and have good crossfire capability. If it's £450 and a 1080 beater with future proof tech it'll sell.
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It's got to be better than a 1080 beater. Titan XP challenger / beater for £600.
The new tech is not going to be cheap.

Baby Vega to fill the gap below 1070 to 1080 performance at £450 maybe.
 
JediFragger said:
Tweaked for better DX12 performance too.

Am looking forward to pairing Vega with my 38UC99 :cool:


edit - My only concern is that the Doom benchmarks for Vega that are floating around only points towards a 40%ish performance increase over FuryX. Hopefully they're v immature drivers.
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I didn't put my hands on the 980Ti but wouldn't agree with Pascal been better for DX12 perf.
My 1080 was losing 14-20% FPS if I was using DX12 instead of DX11. Max out settings in various games. (including TW Warhammer, Division...)

The Nano on the other hand is losing 1% fps if I am using DX12 instead of DX11.
 
jjgreenwood said:
It doesn't need to be. It just needs to be priced right and have good crossfire capability. If it's £450 and a 1080 beater with future proof tech it'll sell.
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It does, and you need to see the bigger picture. For the good of us all, Nvidia need serious competition, and if all AMD can muster is an equal or slightly better card 1-year after they've released it, then you can expect Nvidia to continue to own the top tier of the GPU market, the price of GPUs to keep going up and performance increases to plateau. I'm pretty sure you don't want this, no one does.
 
Killer7xx said:
A Vega chip with that die size should be over Titan X level performance. The changes sound like AMD have increased IPC and efficiency by a lot compared to previous revisions of GCN. On paper at least, NCU seems superior to Pascal, it's like a super GCN.
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Not necessarily but I suspect they will be close - Nvidia bifurcated high end gaming and commercial lines in the GP100 and GP102. I expect large Vega will be targeting both lines with one chip,so its probably more a GP100 competitor but will be used for gaming too. Large Vega will no doubt have functionality that won't be used for gaming like the GP100 will.

Its kind of the same as what we saw with Hawaii - it fought the GK110 and GM204.
 
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Panos said:
I didn't put my hands on the 980Ti but wouldn't agree with Pascal been better for DX12 perf.
My 1080 was losing 14-20% FPS if I was using DX12 instead of DX11. Max out settings in various games. (including TW Warhammer, Division...)

The Nano on the other hand is losing 1% fps if I am using DX12 instead of DX11.
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The Division got about a 13% improvement for me when using a single 1080 and DX12 renderer.
 
Legend said:
This is certainly valid and I agree 100%... I'm getting a sense VEGA is further off than some people think, and by the time it's released, it's all but certain to be up against the 1080Ti. I doubt Volta will see the light of day by then, but its release will be much closer, therefore it will have consumers and enthusiasts looking to that horizon.
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There's always something in the horizon. Hell, just a couple of pages ago someone was asking 'should I wait for the 1080ti and/or Vega or should I just get a 1080 now'?

It'll be no different in May. Volta will be 6 months away at best?

But you're forgetting Navi. That will be what, 12 months away? Navi is supposed to hit the shelves in 2018 and I'll be damned if that "High Bandwidth Cache Controller" doesn't have anything to do with some sort of 'transparent multi-GPU' where you get 2 VEGA chips on the same PCB acting as a single card with a unified memory model.

PLUS you are forgetting that GloFo is supposed to deliver IBM's 7nm process in 2H 2018 and so we will inevitably have a Vega 20 using that process soon afterward (simple die shrink). (EDIT: this is big because for the first time AMD will have exclusive access to the top manufacturing process over both TSMC and Intel; I don't think this has ever happened before).

So yeah, people may be disappointed and all that, but I found the whole thing to be quite interesting. AMD have a lot of factors falling into place and they may surprise us.

My guess is:

- Vega hits and it's somewhere around 1080-TitanXP performance

- 1080ti is released

(MENTAL NOTE TO MYSELF: at this point prices should be favourable for me to upgrade)

- Volta arrives (hopefully) in 1H 2018 and (hopefully) gives a similar boost as in the case of Maxwell --> Maxwell v2

- AMD releases Navi which is basically a couple of Vegas on a PCB acting like a single GPU using some voodoo magic and the high-bandwidth cache. This should be really close to Volta as AMD probably have all the groundwork already present in Vega.

(MENTAL NOTE TO MYSELF: at this point prices should be favourable for me to upgrade)

- GloFo delivers 7nm in 2H 2018 (hopefully)

- AMD releases Vega 20 at 7nm which gives Navi performance with a single chip and better consumption in 1H/2H 2019? (depending on what nvidia does)

- AMD releases Navi cards using multiple Vega 20s on the same PCB

To be honest, even though AMD is beaten down right now, I see a clear roadmap ahead of them. I am more worried about Nvidia. We know very little about Volta and what they're up to, let alone about what they'll do come 2019 onward...
 
Toss3 said:
So a rare gtx 1080 at 2250Mhz with an overclocked 5960x CPU is beating zen + vega at stock - shocker!
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Well nVidia coming out with a Pascal refresh/higher clocks soon tells us a little about Vega performance, and tells us that they think they can compete with such a line-up ;)

Total nVidia refresh in time for Computex anyone? Including the Ti of course :)
 
im not too botherd if vega is slightly slower than a 1080, for me it will then be all about the price, sure i could buy a 1080 now but untill nvidia are willing to support freesync then i dont see it as a option
 
Jeez, what happened up top.

Thanks for the link TwsT; interesting read for sure.

I hope we get some official news soon, although I must say the architecture read from Anandtech was good.
 
How many people were crying about the 480 at release, whinging about how it wasn't better than the 390/x and how AMD was doomed, and another flop and blabla Yet, business wise how can you not look at it and see what a massive success it was? Certainly all my savings have been going into AMD stock for the past 3 years and I see no reason to stop yet (I just wish I could've bought more). If they repeat the same thing with Vega & we get "just" a 1080 for 200 less then it's gonna be massive, let's also not forget the additional savings of Freesync & more monitor options.

It's like people are laser-focused on performance only and forget the greater point about value & affordability.
 
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