AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Jono8]

Yeah, AMD conceded the high end for 8-9 months,e.

That is assuming Vega comes out by February which looks pretty unlikely.

By all accounts, it looks like it will be at least a year since the 1080 before AMD have something to compete or beat it.

 

[nashathedog]

im not too botherd if vega is slightly slower than a 1080, for me it will then be all about the price, sure i could buy a 1080 now but untill nvidia are willing to support freesync then i dont see it as a option

Same here, If it's a little slower and sensibly priced because it is a little slower it'll be a home run. I'm willing to spend 1080 money on it but not just for the sake of it, If it costs as much as the 1080 it should be as fast or a tad faster. This time around I'm not interested in spending more on a card than what it's worth simply because it has HBM2, I did that last time with my HBM'd Fury Tri-x, That cost me £430 and at the time it was giving 980 performance which put it 6 months late out the gate in comparison.

That is assuming Vega comes out by February which looks pretty unlikely.

By all accounts, it looks like it will be at least a year since the 1080 before AMD have something to compete or beat it.

That may be true but we should be thankful that they're still in the game to stop Nvidia riding us all bareback.
Unfortunately AMD may look at what Nvidia are doing and want a piece of the pie or they may be content to offer us the products at a price that's on par with previous pricing in order to gain market share.
I've got my fingers crossed for AMD not following suit and overpricing cards but who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[benjii]

That is assuming Vega comes out by February which looks pretty unlikely.

The second they said 1h 2017, I thought June. I still stand by that, but am prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

 

[DragonQ]

The second they said 1h 2017, I thought June. I still stand by that, but am prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

Yeah not getting my hopes up for anything before May or June. Just like Q1 for Zen basically means March (although maybe the SR7s will be out in February to kick things off but staggered releases suck IMO).

 

[vapor matt]

Its all pie in the sky until we see hardware from vendors with real world benchmarks. as much as I want to see competition from AMD a paper launch claiming to beat a 6 month old 1080 is ok if the hardware was available to buy.

Vega will be june and by then 1080 will be a year old nearly.

the NVidia reply will be a 1080ti to replace the 1080 at vega launch and the titan will be replaced by another say tiatn XP black with fully unlocked core to retain the GFX crown for NV that's before volta launch the following year.

Amd need hardware in the market place now to compete today with 1080 cards not in 6 months time.

I do hope Rysen CPU's live upto the hype and are released with actual hardware unlike vega, as kabylake looks like a intel price hyke for very little.

 

[drunkenmaster]

That is assuming Vega comes out by February which looks pretty unlikely.

By all accounts, it looks like it will be at least a year since the 1080 before AMD have something to compete or beat it.

Not exactly sure when you think the 1080 came out, it 'came out' at the very end of June, it wasn't in reasonable supply till what September or so.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Its all pie in the sky until we see hardware from vendors with real world benchmarks. as much as I want to see competition from AMD a paper launch claiming to beat a 6 month old 1080 is ok if the hardware was available to buy.

Vega will be june and by then 1080 will be a year old nearly.

the NVidia reply will be a 1080ti to replace the 1080 at vega launch and the titan will be replaced by another say tiatn XP black with fully unlocked core to retain the GFX crown for NV that's before volta launch the following year.

Amd need hardware in the market place now to compete today with 1080 cards not in 6 months time.

I do hope Rysen CPU's live upto the hype and are released with actual hardware unlike vega, as kabylake looks like a intel price hyke for very little.

On what planet did Vega launch yesterday, and thus fail to launch with actual hardware?

Nvidia first spoke about Pascal architecture specifically, talking about specific features, at CES 2015...and that specific card still isn't available to buy in volume today.

In absolutely no way at all did AMD launch yesterday, none at all.

 

[Mtom]

Well considering even Vega engineering samples is on 1080 OC performance, which are far from finished, probably low clocks, bad cooling, improper drivers + seeing the size of the chip, its is VERY hard to believe it will not beat the 1080 by quite a margin.

My bet is its more like TXP territory or better. All depends on clocks and drivers OFC.

 

[Jono8]

Nvidia first spoke about Pascal architecture specifically, talking about specific features, at CES 2015...and that specific card still isn't available to buy in volume today.

Um, what?

 

[Jono8]

Not exactly sure when you think the 1080 came out, it 'came out' at the very end of June, it wasn't in reasonable supply till what September or so.

The 1080 came out end of May (27th to be exact). Which ever way you like to swing it, AMD are most likely going to be over a year late with something to compete or beat it, not "8-9 months". It would have to come out in February to do that.

 

[Mtom]

The 1080 came out end of May (27th to be exact). Which ever way you like to swing it, AMD are most likely going to be over a year late with something to compete or beat it, not "8-9 months". It would have to come out in February to do that.

Well if Vega beats big Pascals for good then it could be seen its ahead of Volta, not late to compete with Pascal.
If not, and just catches up, then its a failure.

 

[queamin]

Well if Vega beats big Pascals for good then it could be seen its ahead of Volta, not late to compete with Pascal.
If not, and just catches up, then its a failure.

It needs to be quite a bit ahead of pascal to do that.

 

[Jono8]

Well if Vega beats big Pascals for good then it could be seen its ahead of Volta, not late to compete with Pascal.
If not, and just catches up, then its a failure.

I agree and I hope it does, but there is still no glossing over the fact that for what will likely be a year they had nothing to compete at the high end (whether intentional or not).

 

[meldarthx]

Got to love people saying they need to drop it now or has to beat pascal by a lot to not be a failure.....

Now if we're talking big Vega and its doesn't quit beat Titan - then there is a small point; right now what looks to be showing off is little Vega which I believe is Vega 11......I almost positive AMD hasn't shown off Vega 10 for many reasons...

Vega 11 looks to be between 1080 and titan; which is perfect place to slot it. Vega 10 should slot in above - Volta won't be here until 2018 at some point and that will most likely deal with Vega 20......a refined Vega 10....

 

[Legend]

The fact is that VEGA 100% needs to thoroughly bury the 1080 in the performance stakes if AMD stand a chance of regaining any top end market share over Nvidia. Anything short of that IS a massive failure in respect to that outcome. Of course, it will still sell if the price is right, and I totally get some people here saying that they'd be happy with something that wasn't as powerful as a 1080 (or thereabouts) for the right price, but for those of us who see the big picture and would like Nvidia to be challenged (and prices to perhaps fall at the top end as a result of that competition), VEGA needs to hit a certain level of performance in order to achieve that. Anything short of that will see Nvidia continue to dominate and control pricing... i.e sky high.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

One of the reviewers on Hexus estimates the GPU size to be around 460MM2.

A bit smaller than I expected,but still close to GP102 level size(a bit smaller). If this is the top Vega GPU,then it will be dual use and have to cover similar markets to the 610MM2 GP100 too,so I wonder how much it will affect gaming performance?? There will be transistors used for things like FP64 performance which won't help gaming performance.

I expect it will beat a GTX1080,but I suspect it will be between GTX1080 and Titan X level.

 

[vapor matt]

The thing is its going to be a year late to a 1080 by the time hardware launches from vendors. if it slots in between the 1080 and titan then great, but when? a year after the 1080 which came in may 2016 you wont see vega until june 2017

the 1080ti sits in the locker at NV ready for vega, and the next titan XP will follow that with fully unlocked core to make sure it retains the GFX crown. the following year volta will appear.

I am not a green fan boy or a red fan boy, I would like to see good competition between NV and AMD for reasons to drive prices down, when hardware becomes very close its down to price or personal prefrences.

This hole build up over the last few months has been towards vega launching. wait till jan the hype was, well here we are, and now its wait till june.

AMD need hardware now, not in 6 months time.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

AMD VEGA 10 and VEGA 20 slides revealed

http://videocardz.com/65521/amd-vega-10-and-vega-20-slides-revealed

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So VEGA 10 coming in a few months with 16GB of HBM2 is seems.

Interesting; along with VEGA x2, is that just a DUAL GPU card, or VEGA 11.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

NVM.

It seems Vega 10 is the bigger chip,so it is a GP100 and GP102 competitor. I expect a fully enabled GP102>>Vega 10 as it is not only slightly bigger but a dedicated gaming part.