AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Orcvader · 6 Jan 2017 at 13:58

So Vega 10 will be the Pascal competitor and Vega 20 is aimed to go against Volta. Vega 11 looks like it will replace Polaris 10/11, and then suceeded by Navi 10/11.

16gb of HBM2 for Vega but those slides are on about ROCm, for normal users I suspect we'll end up with 8gb versions... although I'm sure some manufacturers will release a super expensive 16gb variant.

LoadsaMoney · 6 Jan 2017 at 13:58

Poneros said:
If they repeat the same thing with Vega & we get "just" a 1080 for 200 less then it's gonna be massive,

It won't be, they've already lost that market, over a year ago (by the time it comes out, which its looking), as everyone will already be on that peformance, with 1080s, so be a massive fail, as look at how many have bought 1080s, and still are buying them now, and look at how many have switched from AMDs 290s and up to them, and the 1070s, TXPs, thats a lot of sales AMD have lost, Vega will be dead in the water, if its just matching that year+ old performance, which everyone has already got.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 6 Jan 2017 at 13:59

It looks like Vega 10 probably has considerable FP64 performance if it is replacing Hawaii. Even Fiji could not replace Hawaii for certain workloads.

Unless the uarch changes,etc can compensate,I still see Vega10 being held back by having to dedicate transistors for non-gaming scenarios.

I expect it will beat a GTX1080 still,but I think the gaming orientated GP102 will be the faster part overall.

Edit!!

Actually,looked at the chart - read it wrong.

Vega 20 is replacing Hawaii,not Vega 10.

OK,maybe it won't be an FP64 part then?? That would probably help regarding gaming??

I wonder if AMD will hit a TDP limit with Vega - even to match the GTX1080 with a 225W TDP it would need to have better performance per watt than Polaris by a decent amount.

LoadsaMoney · 6 Jan 2017 at 14:33

It'll be same as usual when it comes out, it wont top the 1080, and be more expensive, as Nvidia will also give their year+ old 1080 a price cut.

The Vega release thread will be filled with, wtf AMD, lol, they're having a laugh, needs a good <insert amount here> off etc..., and the people who were waiting for Vega to buy one, will just be hitting the buy button on the 1080s like everyone else after reading the reviews.

Id love to be wrong, id absolutely love AMD to come out with a cracker of a card that gets them back in the game, but they are that far behind Nvidia now, i just can not see it, as even if Vega did beat the 1080/TXP, Nvidia would probably just wheel out a Vega beater a few days later.

Mtom · 6 Jan 2017 at 14:56

LoadsaMoney said:
It'll be same as usual when it comes out, it wont top the 1080, and be more expensive, as Nvidia will also give their year+ old 1080 a price cut.

The Vega release thread will be filled with, wtf AMD, lol, they're having a laugh, needs a good <insert amount here> off etc..., and the people who were waiting for Vega to buy one, will just be hitting the buy button on the 1080s like everyone else after reading the reviews.

Id love to be wrong, id absolutely love AMD to come out with a cracker of a card that gets them back in the game, but they are that far behind Nvidia now, i just can not see it, as even if Vega did beat the 1080/TXP, Nvidia would probably just wheel out a Vega beater a few days later.

It was already shown around 1080 performance, with an engineering sample, unknown clocks, some crappy cooler snapped on, and running in Fiji drivers.

Baboonanza · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:21

LoadsaMoney said:
It'll be same as usual when it comes out, it wont top the 1080, and be more expensive, as Nvidia will also give their year+ old 1080 a price cut.

The Vega release thread will be filled with, wtf AMD, lol, they're having a laugh, needs a good <insert amount here> off etc..., and the people who were waiting for Vega to buy one, will just be hitting the buy button on the 1080s like everyone else after reading the reviews.

Id love to be wrong, id absolutely love AMD to come out with a cracker of a card that gets them back in the game, but they are that far behind Nvidia now, i just can not see it, as even if Vega did beat the 1080/TXP, Nvidia would probably just wheel out a Vega beater a few days later.

I think that's overly pessimistic. It seems clear that AMD have been building towards Vega for a while with the Fury testing out HBM and Polaris only released as a gap filler. The architectural changes appear to be big and include some of the features that gave Maxwell such an efficiency boost.

Personally I think it'll probably be beast but it might take a while for it's real-world performance to fully appear while drivers and devs catch up.

LoadsaMoney · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:23

Mtom said:
It was already shown around 1080 performance, with an engineering sample, unknown clocks, some crappy cooler snapped on, and running in Fiji drivers.

Yes in Vulkan, which how many games are out using, and we all know AMD get a big boost from Vulkan, so if it needed to be running that to get to the 1080, its not looking good is it.

flopper · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:28

LoadsaMoney said:
Yes in Vulkan, which how many games are out using, and we all know AMD get a big boost from Vulkan, so if it needed to be running that to get to the 1080, its not looking good is it.

shakes head, smiles as one would when ignorance runs the country.

Gregster · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:29

LoadsaMoney said:
It'll be same as usual when it comes out, it wont top the 1080, and be more expensive, as Nvidia will also give their year+ old 1080 a price cut.

The Vega release thread will be filled with, wtf AMD, lol, they're having a laugh, needs a good <insert amount here> off etc..., and the people who were waiting for Vega to buy one, will just be hitting the buy button on the 1080s like everyone else after reading the reviews.

Id love to be wrong, id absolutely love AMD to come out with a cracker of a card that gets them back in the game, but they are that far behind Nvidia now, i just can not see it, as even if Vega did beat the 1080/TXP, Nvidia would probably just wheel out a Vega beater a few days later.

Pretty much spot on!

N19h7m4r3 · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:38

Gregster said:
Pretty much spot on!

Nah, I'll buy a Vega card. I'll take the top most one they have. I'm done with NVIDIA for a while.

I was excited for the 1080, the reveal show was amazing, then they revealed their new pricing.

Not a chance I'm paying more for a 1080, than I did my Superclocked EVGA 980Ti's; and I bought those on their launch day.

So VEGA for me, even if it's just below the 1080 on launch. I do hope AMD have a much better card though, but only rebellions are built on hope.

Killer7xx · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:38

LoadsaMoney said:
Yes in Vulkan, which how many games are out using, and we all know AMD get a big boost from Vulkan, so if it needed to be running that to get to the 1080, its not looking good is it.

GCN gets a big boost from Vulkan, with all the changes they made for NCU, we don't know exactly how optimised the GCN vulkan drivers are for the vega chip they demoed.

Steampunk · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:51

I suspect Vega is the 14 nm chip we've all been waiting for ie the first one designed for 14 nm, and not a shrunk 28 nm design. Fury was a 28nm test bed for HBM and interposer, Polaris was a stopgap whilst waiting for a mature 14 nm and HBM2, and generally waiting for all the other processes and supply chain to get to where it needs to be. I'm hopeful that Vega will be a big improvement, and as we find out more about it, I'm tending to believe that that AMD has been sitting on this for a long while, waiting for 14 nm to get here and properly able to produce the next-gen chip they want to build. They seem to be fixing all the weaknesses of previous GCN designs.

LoadsaMoney · 6 Jan 2017 at 15:53

Killer7xx said:
GCN gets a big boost from Vulkan, with all the changes they made for NCU, we don't know exactly how optimised the GCN vulkan drivers are for the vega chip they doomoed.

Fixed

Does anyone really care, as how many games are out using Vulkan ?, i couldn't give a flying **** if once we get a proper Vega optimized Vulkan driver, it turns out even better than the 1080, even if its bettering it by 10,000 fps, if we had millions of games out using it, then yeah, id be getting movement in my loins, but one game, im not even getting a twinge.

Show us the majortity AMD, Dx11, and what will still be the majority for some time to come yet.

Mtom · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:03

LoadsaMoney said:
Yes in Vulkan, which how many games are out using, and we all know AMD get a big boost from Vulkan, so if it needed to be running that to get to the 1080, its not looking good is it.

Well i have seen one comparison video where a heavily OCd 1080, with an OC 5960X matched the stock clocked (+ ES, no driver ,etc) Vega with a stock clocked Ryzen.
That is at least nulllifies the Vulkan IMHO.

Kaapstad · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:03

With Vega we need to keep an open mind as to how it will perform as the slides don't have the one thing we really need to know -

How well the GPUs clock.

queamin · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:04

Saying vega has the same problems as fury is like saying Volta is the same as pascal and is not that good with dx12, Vega is the biggest change since going with GCN.

Erik13 · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:07

Mtom said:
Well i have seen one comparison video where a heavily OCd 1080, with an OC 5960X matched the stock clocked (+ ES, no driver ,etc) Vega with a stock clocked Ryzen.
That is at least nulllifies the Vulkan IMHO.

Don't waste ur breath on trolls, seriously this guy is like broken tape lol Same hatred anti-amd posts over and over... One would think that he can actually get bored and drop it but no....

humbug · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:10

queamin said:
Saying vega has the same problems as fury is like saying Volta is the same as pascal and is not that good with dx12, Vega is the biggest change since going with GCN.

Just replace "Vage Will" in what they are saying with "I Hope Vega Will" then when you read on their posts make a lot more sense, its not that they are passively claiming to know something no one else does, or saying something that looks idiotic, what they are actually doing is writing out their wish list as if its fact to comfort themselves, the idea that Vega might actually be better than their overpriced pascal GPU's is very traumatic to them.

I love Salt.

Mtom · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:15

Gregster said:
Pretty much spot on!

I think quite the contrary.
AMD pretty much ditched last year to work on Vega, and bring out a completely new architecture, with all the bells and whistles, higher clocks, and to shake off the faults of its predecessor, instead of polishing the already 5 years old GCN and bring out a bit better one as NV did with Pascal.

They have all the chance to beat Pascal now and get back in the game.

Just look at Ryzen, it looks to shape up to be a real competitor, already beating 6900K in benches and in clock speeds, and the same was said about it " it will be no good etc" (ofc i know there are no real reviews yet, but as i heard from devs, it is seem to be a very good CPU).

AMD throw in everything this time, not just the baby steps they used to in the last few years.

LoadsaMoney · 6 Jan 2017 at 16:17

Erik13 said:
Don't waste ur breath on trolls, seriously this guy is like broken tape lol Same hatred anti-amd posts over and over... One would think that he can actually get bored and drop it but no....

Im sorry, but having to be running Vulkan to get it at the 1080, it just doesn't excite me one bit, when you consider how many games we got here using it.