AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

KentMan · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:10

Interestingly during PCworlds interview with Raja Koduri he was asked if DX12 was not as greatly accepted as AMD had hoped for, his reply I feel was pretty spot on, he replied "a few companies have added on DX12 to their games, but games generally take 2 years to develop so we should soon see games built from the ground up with them in the near future"

That is pretty much spot on for me personally, I feel most of the DX12 games we have seen recently have just been an afterthought added late into the games development.

I do not think we are yet to see a game fully built from inception with DX12, I mean no DX11 support at all, do Vulkan, No OpenGL, just DX12. Once that happens I feel we can truly say if DX12 is a failure or not no?

Seems many people want AMD to do well, even Nvidia fans want it to do well if only to drive down prices on their chosen vendors products. AMD need to compete with the 1070 and 1080 only with their first Vega card, no one needs to compete with an overpriced halo product like the TitanXP I feel as their is simply too small a market for that level of hardware.

If they can compete with 1070 / 1080 in DX11 with the first Vega, that is a success, as it should be ahead in next gen API.

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:10

Jono8 said:
This. Releasing a card that is around or barely faster than a 1070/980Ti/Fury X in the middle of this year isn't going to get them a lot of sales unless it is VERY cheap (in comparison). They need to target those that have cards at the level of the 1070/980Ti/Fury X and tempt them to upgrade. Lets face it, anyone who wanted that level of performance and was willing to spend £400+ has most likely already got one of those three cards.

Jano8 that's a contradiction, if people who spend £400+ on card already have them what is the point in AMD making cards for that price range?

Jono8 · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:12

humbug said:
Jano8 that's a contradiction, if people who spend £400+ on card already have them what is the point in AMD making cards for that price range?

Eh?

Obviously at that price range , a year later, they would have to offer a decent performance boost. Which was my whole point

This forum sub-section is weird.

nashathedog · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:12

shankly1985 said:
OpenGL is forgotten about, if you buy Doom you hardly going to run it with OpenGL.

That wasn't the point being made

shankly1985 said:
We might has well make this claim that dx11 helped boost performance from dx9 when them GPUs was also coming along, so forget dx11 run them in dx9

I don't see the point you're trying to make, This reads as nonsense

shankly1985 said:
Do we all not want the PC industry to move forward? We are the first to complain when we get "console ports"

It's not about what we want it's about what we get given. How many Vulcan titles are due next year?

shankly1985 said:
Showcasing the latest and greatest is what we want to see not what the past holds. Vulkan API shows the hard work that has gone into this from AMD they have a right to showcase Doom.

AMD can showcase what they want we just have to do the math as like I said Doom on Vulcan gives them a significant performance increase which is great, but it is only one in a handful of games on the api. I hope we get lot's on it but whether we do or not isn't up to us.

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:13

Jono8 said:
Eh?

Obviously at the that range , a year later they would have to offer a decent performance boost. Which was my whole point

This forum sub-section is weird.

The conversation is not "a year later" its Vega, which is this year.

Jono8 · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:15

humbug said:
The conversation is not "a year later" its Vega, which is this year.

Again, "Eh?" :confused:

A year in comparison to when the 1080/1070 came out (assuming predictions for the middle of this year for Vega are correct).

nashathedog · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:16

sidthesexist said:

We get a good look at the back of the PCB there.

Not that I know what I'm looking at

KentMan · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:16

drunkenmaster said:
GCN gets a lot of optimisations in Doom under Vulkan.... there is nothing to suggest that Vega has had the same level of optimisation nor that GCN optimisation automatically works and helps with Vega optimisation.

IE the Vega performance in Doom could be unoptimised with a further 20% to be gained with intrinsics for the new architecture.

This is also very true, lots of speculation that infact Vega is a new architecture and not a rebuild of GCN, how similar it is nobody knows as of yet. It could be built on GCN but with new tech that actually drags back performance when not optimised for.

Nobody knows just yet

Wucked · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:25

five8five said:
If Nvidia don't reduce the price of the 1070........

True. We do need more competition, though.

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:33

Jono8 said:
Again, "Eh?"

A year in comparison to when the 1080/1070 came out (assuming predictions for the middle of this year for Vega are correct).

So what? what are you expecting? the next generation? Faster than the 1080 at half the price?

You will be disappointed, Vega are Pascal competitors not Volta competitors.

Ian Evey · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:34

Jono8 said:
Again, "Eh?"

A year in comparison to when the 1080/1070 came out (assuming predictions for the middle of this year for Vega are correct).

Yep,

if I wanted a 1070 performance / priced card I would have bought one already, Same goes for the 1080.

Rroff · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:37

humbug said:
You will be disappointed, Vega are Pascal competitors not Volta competitors.

Then AMD have a problem. That market is already fairly saturated, nVidia has enough sales they can move on price and picking up the customers who haven't yet jumped due to prices isn't going to be very lucrative for AMD.

shankly1985 · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:38

Ian Evey said:
Yep, if I wanted a 1070 performance / priced card I would have bought one already, Same goes for the 1080.

What about if Joe has just bought a Nice new Freesync monitor that he saved a load by not going Gsync and now is waiting for VEGA? Though I think 1080 + is where VEGA should be not 1070 unless little VEGA is on line with 1070.

They is a lot more going on outside the GPU what makes people pick and choose what brand.

old gamer · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:40

I'm still expecting in between 1070/80 performance for £400 which I see as no bad thing for amd, with the attraction of cheaper freesync monitors they could sell very well

ScoTTyBEEE · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:41

Rroff said:
Then AMD have a problem. That market is already fairly saturated, nVidia has enough sales they can move on price and picking up the customers who haven't yet jumped due to prices isn't going to be very lucrative for AMD.

They've already started if you look around.

Gerard · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:43

sidthesexist said:

Interesting to see the engineering card, looks pretty much like an extended fury x design. Final card obviously won't be as long, could have a very different design as well.

Jono8 · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:44

humbug said:
So what? what are you expecting? the next generation? Faster than the 1080 at half the price?

You will be disappointed, Vega are Pascal competitors not Volta competitors.

I don't know what to expect. I just think AMD will have a tricky job to slot these in, in a saleable position (ie to make a decent impact in the high end market) IF they aren't much faster than the competition that has been out a year and if they cost AMD a fair amount to make (due to HBM etc). Nvidia have a lot of cards (no pun intended) up their sleeve if needed. No doubt by the time Vega is due to come out, they could release a 1080Ti , clock bumped/tweaked refreshes of the 1070 and 1080, or drop prices significantly.

Personally (it might be too optimistic) but i am hoping Vega might get close to Pascal Titan performance but at a much cheaper price point.

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:45

AMD are just late in the day competing with Pascal ^^^^^

Rroff said:
Then AMD have a problem. That market is already fairly saturated, nVidia has enough sales they can move on price and picking up the customers who haven't yet jumped due to prices isn't going to be very lucrative for AMD.

I know, tell them that....

KentMan · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:46

old gamer said:
I'm still expecting in between 1070/80 performance for £400 which I see as no bad thing for amd, with the attraction of cheaper freesync monitors they could sell very well

My cousin has a Freesync screen and a 1070 FE, I know for a fact he will sell his FE for Vega if it matches the 1070 performance as a minimum, because he bought his screen for Freesync and wants to use it.

I don't have an adaptive sync screen, I have a 1070, I would be tempted by a Vega card if they can actually do 4K at 60fps, and that would definitely sway me to buying Freesync as I personally see G-Sync as too expensive.

old gamer · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:50

shankly1985 said:
What about if Joe has just bought a Nice new Freesync monitor that he saved a load by not going Gsync and now is waiting for VEGA? Though I think 1080 + is where VEGA should be not 1070 unless little VEGA is on line with 1070.

They is a lot more going on outside the GPU what makes people pick and choose what brand.

I am one of those people