AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

LoadsaMoney · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:50

I'll not be rushing out to buy a one, not if its only as fast as the 1080 in one game, i want to see the majority, Dx11, got millions of games out using that, and still loads to come using it.

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:52

There not, your just reading that into it.... ^^^^^

shankly1985 said:
What about if Joe has just bought a Nice new Freesync monitor that he saved a load by not going Gsync and now is waiting for VEGA? Though I think 1080 + is where VEGA should be not 1070 unless little VEGA is on line with 1070.

They is a lot more going on outside the GPU what makes people pick and choose what brand.

I'm another one, I'm Free-Sync ready, just waiting on the GPU.

Gerard · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:55

LoadsaMoney said:
Its funny how their claiming its better than VOLTA, if its only a Pascal competitor.

They're not claiming its better than volta, maybe they know something going on with volta that we don't hence the "poor volta" sign. For all we know there's problems with volta that amd have gotten wind of and they just took this chance to put in a dig at it.

LoadsaMoney · 8 Jan 2017 at 15:57

Gerard said:
They're not claiming its better than volta, maybe they know something going on with volta that we don't hence the "poor volta" sign. For all we know there's problems with volta that amd have gotten wind of and they just took this chance to put in a dig at it.

Looking at it more, i think that could be VOLTAGE, as the Radeon signs covering the end of it, and the bottom half is talking about poor voltage, looks like there could be a GE on the end, plus the flash symbol like on the left.

Rroff · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:00

I wouldn't read too much into it - its just a marketing poke at nVidia nothing more and nothing less.

stuartharrison · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:04

humbug said:
There not, your just reading that into it.... ^^^^^

I'm another one, I'm Free-Sync ready, just waiting on the GPU.

This.
I can afford Nvidia but I refuse to pay g-sync tax.
Pascal is overpriced as it is.

If anything, they should be subsidising g-sync monitors as it ties people into their gfx cards.

Gerard · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:04

Rroff said:
I wouldn't read too much into it - its just a marketing poke at nVidia nothing more and nothing less.

But it's a weird poke to take considering Volta is supposedly still around a year away. As i said its possible they know something we don't, might just be marketing bs but an odd stab to take at something that's a possible 12 months plus away.

akarypid · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:05

humbug said:
So what? what are you expecting? the next generation? Faster than the 1080 at half the price?

You will be disappointed, Vega are Pascal competitors not Volta competitors

Rroff said:
Then AMD have a problem. That market is already fairly saturated, nVidia has enough sales they can move on price and picking up the customers who haven't yet jumped due to prices isn't going to be very lucrative for AMD.

Well, look at the 480 vs 1060 status. Trading blows in DX11 (1060 takes the Gameworks titles and 480 the others) and the 480 is ahead in DX12.

If this is anything to go by, given the advancements in architecture for Vega, it should definitely beat the 1080 in DX11 and even more so in DX12.

By the time of its release, the playing field will be different, as you will be seeing an increasing amount of DX12 games where the new API is not just an afterthought. This will help paint Vega in a very nice light until Volta arrives.

JediFragger · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:07

Mauller said:
On early hardware with very early drivers. And yet it was still on average faster than an overclocked 1080. not 1070/980ti/furyx.

1080 (not OC) averages 63fps and FuryX 55fps using Vulkan at 4k according to this link;

http://www.pcgamer.com/doom-benchmarks-return-vulkan-vs-opengl/2/

I'm hoping AMD are just throwing nVidia a bit of a red herring here tbh...

akarypid · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:11

Gerard said:
But it's a weird poke to take considering Volta is supposedly still around a year away. As i said its possible they know something we don't, might just be marketing bs but an odd stab to take at something that's a possible 12 months plus away.

Well, they know that they expect to have 7nm Vega come out in 2H 2018.

I understand Volta was initially supposed to use the 10nm process at TSMC but has been flipped back to 14nm/16nm due to concerns with the process? Maybe Volta's problems are not 'architectural' per se, but rather have to do with the process being a moving target due to TSMC changing the goalposts on Nvidia all the time...

Ian Evey · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:13

shankly1985 said:
What about if Joe has just bought a Nice new Freesync monitor that he saved a load by not going Gsync and now is waiting for VEGA? Though I think 1080 + is where VEGA should be not 1070 unless little VEGA is on line with 1070.

They is a lot more going on outside the GPU what makes people pick and choose what brand.

Joe was always going to buy an amd card so that tiny number of joes is well catered for, the problem with what your implying is that if Vega is only 3% faster than Amd's current flagship card then that's ok because joe locked himself in with freesync, Take my money amd and give me small increases in performance while your at it, Which is the reason I personally am not interested in free or g sync.

No, Vega has to do more than just compete with Nvidia's 1070 or else that market share will slip again and no one wants that to happen.

elmuzzy66. · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:13

Gerard said:
But it's a weird poke to take considering Volta is supposedly still around a year away. As i said its possible they know something we don't, might just be marketing bs but an odd stab to take at something that's a possible 12 months plus away.

Could be another gddrx5 situation. People saying it was a year away only to be hit with the 1080.

JediFragger · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:22

elmuzzy66. said:
Could be another gddrx5 situation. People saying it was a year away only to be hit with the 1080.

And changing to another gen (1170, 1180 etc) for just a clock-speed refresh on Pascal does seem a bit silly...

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:24

stuartharrison said:
This.
I can afford Nvidia but I refuse to pay g-sync tax.
Pascal is overpriced as it is.

If anything, they should be subsidising g-sync monitors as it ties people into their gfx cards.

Yup,

Identical screens, one is £350 the other £240, guess which is which.

JediFragger · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:28

THE GREEN ONE IS RAYDEON!!!!!!!!!!!!

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:28

lol ^^^

elmuzzy66. · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:29

Green is a more expensive colour to make an paint

JediFragger · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:31

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:34

nashathedog said:
We get a good look at the back of the PCB there.

Not that I know what I'm looking at

Here is a better picture:

http://i.imgur.com/TUTWabg.jpg

Its an engineering card,and the extended PCB part with a USB3.0 port is for monitoring purposes - but it does seem Vega10 might be air cooled,since it seems weird an engineering card would have a lighted logo on it. It makes me wonder if it is a prototype of the stock cooler is being used??

humbug · 8 Jan 2017 at 16:42

Why has the exhaust fan got Gaffa Tape on it?