AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Doom112]

New vega video from adoredtv.

Totally spot on. AMD showed that demo of Polaris 11 and it was better than the real product launch. A company will never show a demo a product until it is running at its best.

Doom is the best case as possible for VEGA, which is equal to GTX 1080 at their best on DX12 and Vulkan. If Nvidia decides to bury VEGA than it will take only 1 presentation from Hang to that just like they did with GTX 980 Ti.

 

[TNA]

Yeah, writing is on the wall... my expectations have taken a nose dive last few days. It's going to be a 1080 level card (short of the 1080Ti, which will be out sooner) a year late. Yeah, fantastic, whoop-de-doo!

Yea. I hope this is not this case though. All that new stuff in the Vega architecture and if all it is is 1080 performance, would be very sad

 

[Griffildur]

Never going to happen, not with the sterling in the current situation.
I'd be surprised if it didn't come out at over twice the price of the 480, around $500, which of course means around £550 to £600 for us.

I'd still consider a card with 1080 performance + 10% for the same price as a 1080, absolutely. Tied into a freesync monitor so that would be happy days for me!

All very good points. I just find it hilarious however that quite a few people keep stating they won't pay the Nvidia tax but they will happily pay the same price to AMD for roughly the same performance.

Should we start calling it the "AMD tax" or just "GPU tax" in general ?

 

[humbug]

New vega video from adoredtv.

Again, that's perfectly fine by me, i'm just looking for an affordable card with solid performance, not a Pascal TX or even GTX 1080 killer.

Personally i think it a good thing AMD aren't competing with nVidia's huge SKU's, they don't sell anything like enough GPU's at that level to warrant the large decrease in wafer yields and increase in component costs.

Why bother making something you can't sell?

 

[Legend]

Yea. I hope this is not this case though. All that new stuff in the Vega architecture and if all it is is 1080 performance, would be very sad

I would hope so too, but I think that's what's going to happen. I know it's all some people want though, so will please many, but that's a rather selfish way to look at it and somewhat ignorant of the bigger picture. AMD really needed to bring it to Nvidia in a big way if the GPU landscape ever had a chance of being altered. If all VEGA ends up being is a 1080 clone a year after its release, then nothing will change. Prices will continue to rise and Nvidia's dominance will only be cemented even further. This really was the last chance AMD had to seriously challenge Nvidia, but I think they are happy to settle for second, albeit a closer second than they had before. They will be happy if they make money, which I'm sure they will.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

New vega video from adoredtv.

Im saying nowt

 

[Rroff]

Again, that's perfectly fine by me, i'm just looking for an affordable card with solid performance, not a Pascal TX or even GTX 1080 killer.

Personally i think it a good thing AMD aren't competing with nVidia's huge SKU's, they don't sell anything like enough GPU's at that level to warrant the large decrease in wafer yields and increase in component costs.

Why bother making something you can't sell?

Problem is at this stage something that sits in the 1070-1080 spot is jumping into an already largely saturated market and if AMD go to war on prices nVidia has sold enough they can squeeze out AMD. It might suit you personally but it isn't going to be a win for AMD and won't be making them the money they need to keep investing forward.

 

[nashathedog]

Again, that's perfectly fine by me, i'm just looking for an affordable card with solid performance, not a Pascal TX or even GTX 1080 killer.

Personally i think it a good thing AMD aren't competing with nVidia's huge SKU's, they don't sell anything like enough GPU's at that level to warrant the large decrease in wafer yields and increase in component costs.

Why bother making something you can't sell?

I'll be happy with 1080 performance or there about, My main concern is pricing and how the HBM affects it, For now using 5x would have been ample as the Nvidia cards have proven. I hope they don't expect us to pay more than we have to for an equivalently performing gddr5x card. If they price it wrong I may go with a 1070 for now or a 1o80 if it's price drops a bit.

 

[DragonQ]

I would hope so too, but I think that's what's going to happen. I know it's all some people want though, so will please many, but that's a rather selfish way to look at it and somewhat ignorant of the bigger picture. AMD really needed to bring it to Nvidia in a big way if the GPU landscape ever had a chance of being altered. If all VEGA ends up being is a 1080 clone a year after its release, then nothing will change. Prices will continue to rise and Nvidia's dominance will only be cemented even further. This really was the last chance AMD had to seriously challenge Nvidia, but I think they are happy to settle for second, albeit a closer second than they had before. They will be happy if they make money, which I'm sure they will.

Not sure this is true; it entirely depends on the price. After all, AMD's Zen is going to be very similar to Skylake in terms of IPC by all accounts, and it's basically coming out years late, yet people are excited because it (a) gets AMD "back in the game", and (b) is expected to be cheaper than the competition.

The GPU and CPU spaces are similar, where products that should be mid-range by now are still priced as high range because only one company currently offers those products.

 

[humbug]

Problem is at this stage something that sits in the 1070-1080 spot is jumping into an already largely saturated market and if AMD go to war on prices nVidia has sold enough they can squeeze out AMD. It might suit you personally but it isn't going to be a win for AMD and won't be making them the money they need to keep investing forward.

There is nothing AMD can do about that.

Seriously do you expect them to make cards 50% faster than the 1080 at the same or less cost to themselves and you? how would they do that in the real world?

It is what it is, AMD cannot snap their fingers and take a massive forward leap in performance per -cost with what they have to work with anymore than nVidia can.

 

[TNA]

I would hope so too, but I think that's what's going to happen. I know it's all some people want though, so will please many, but that's a rather selfish way to look at it and somewhat ignorant of the bigger picture. AMD really needed to bring it to Nvidia in a big way if the GPU landscape ever had a chance of being altered. If all VEGA ends up being is a 1080 clone a year after its release, then nothing will change. Prices will continue to rise and Nvidia's dominance will only be cemented even further. This really was the last chance AMD had to seriously challenge Nvidia, but I think they are happy to settle for second, albeit a closer second than they had before. They will be happy if they make money, which I'm sure they will.

+1

Yeah. I do not get the one's who want and are hoping Vega fail. Only the brainwashed and the shill would want that IMO. As you said, we need AMD to bring it so we all can benefit from cheaper graphics cards.

We will have to wait and see. Maybe the bigger performance card will come with what they call the Vega 20 later in the year, but it will be very late to the game.

 

[Rroff]

There is nothing AMD can do about that.

Seriously do you expect them to make cards 50% faster than the 1080 at the same or less cost to themselves and you? how would they do that in the real world?

It is what it is, AMD cannot snap their fingers and take a massive forward leap in performance per -cost with what they have to work with anymore than nVidia can.

Why can't it be something inbetween? - they don't have to utterly crush nVidia's offerings.

 

[Gregster]

Anyone with sense wants to see AMD release a stonking card and get back to parity with NVIDIA but surely anyone with sense can see a 1080/70 card from AMD will struggle to sell well? As has been said, all NVIDIA have to do is drop the price of those cards and job done.

 

[humbug]

Why can't it be something inbetween? - they don't have to utterly crush nVidia's offerings.

It probably will be, According to those benchmarks Vega is 10% faster than the 1080, take out AMD 'best case' and add in Vega optimised drivers they will probably be 10% faster than the GTX 1080 in reality and a bit cheaper.

They ain't going to be anything more than that, and thats fine, it will have-to be because much more than that is fantasy.

 

[DragonQ]

It probably will be, According to those benchmarks Vega is 10% faster than the 1080, take out AMD 'best case' and add in Vega optimised drivers they will probably be 10% faster than the GTX 1080 in reality and a bit cheaper.

They ain't going to be anything more than that, and thats fine.

The only glimmer of hope for anything faster is optimised drivers. Usually that's an excuse when demos don't match expectations that doesn't really come to fruition, but in this case Vega is a major architectural change and the recent demo was supposedly using tweaked Fiji drivers, so it's at least possible that non-trivial improvements can be made via optimised drivers in this case.

 

[five8five]

Thing with the AdoredTV videos, is that he's making massive assumptions from very little evidence. He might be right, but if he is, it's a lucky guess rather than actually basing his opinions on facts. We just have very little info on performance, and AdoredTV doesn't have anything more.

He's also quite biased regarding his opinions on things like "if Vega is only ten percent faster than 1080, then it's a failure", but not everyone will think like that if it's priced correctly. For instance, ten percent faster than an overclocked 1080 for around the £300 mark will go down nicely for a lot of people, even if it doesn't "beat" Nvidia.

His videos seem to be an opinion piece/editorial more than any real facts or any conclusions based on known facts. It's just the usual click-bait guessing for more page/tube views.

He comes across as more pro-AMD than pro-Nvidia in that video and seems genuinely disappointed.

£300, are you being serious? If so, you seem to want it for nothing! Can AMD afford to sell it at that price and make money?

 

[five8five]

I'll be happy with 1080 performance or there about, My main concern is pricing and how the HBM affects it, For now using 5x would have been ample as the Nvidia cards have proven. I hope they don't expect us to pay more than we have to for an equivalently performing gddr5x card. If they price it wrong I may go with a 1070 for now or a 1o80 if it's price drops a bit.

Agree about the memory. Price may also depend on whether they fit an AIO.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I really hope Vega is a decent GPU, both in consumer and proffesional lines.

They really need to win back consumers; otherwise NVIDIA are just going to up their prices more and more. If there is another Pascal/Maxwell refresh with just higher clocks and a few tidbits I dread to think of the price of the GTX 1180 then.

The 1080 already launched higher than the 980Ti...

Also it seems AMD's lack of proper information at CES did not go over well at all.
Share's dropped quite a bit as people sold off afterwards.

Who knows; maybe they are sandbagging. Might be the time to buy again.

 

[humbug]

A GTX 1080 with a proper cooler starts at £580 and goes all the way to Narnia

Don't expect a GTX 1080+10% Vega GPU to be anything less than £450 and a GTX 1070+10% Vega GPU to be anything less than £330.

If nVdia decide to push AMD out by cutting their prices by anything like that amount then they will succeed and we may well see the end of AMD consumer cards.

As Adored explained Vega's Die space is clearly filled with stuff aimed at workstation tasks so they have already decided consumer cards are nearing a lost cause.

 

[Steampunk]

He comes across as more pro-AMD than pro-Nvidia in that video and seems genuinely disappointed.

Love turned to hate. It's an emotional response because AMD didn't demo a card running Doom at 200 FPS.

£300, are you being serious? If so, you seem to want it for nothing! Can AMD afford to sell it at that price and make money?

Well no, that was an extreme example to show that claiming "Vega is dead" if it's only faster than 1080 doesn't take into account important factors, like the price or actual benchmarks of performance from shipping products.

There simply isn't enough info known for people like AdoredTV to make the big claims of failed Vega they have made.