AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[D.P.]

I would gladly buy a Vega to replace my 980ti's if it was cheaper and as fast or faster than a 1080ti. AMD drivers have come on leaps and bounds the past 12months and are night and day since I was burnted by their drivers with my old 5850xfire setup.

What you are saying is very different to what I was saying.

I never said 1080 TI, but current 1080 owners wont switch to a 1080+10%.


If you have an older card then the AMd offering may be more interesting, and that is why nvidia will price accordingly. IF Vegas requires HBM2 then NVidia have a lot fo wiggle room in prices, and since they have already made lots of profit can reduce their profit share further than AMD wish willing to. not that I believe Nvidia will have to, performance and market recognition will be enough to ensure nvidia's sales are healthy.



What if Vega turns out to be like FuryX, and Nvidia release a 1080ti that is both cheaper and faster?

 

[maonayze]

Disaster. Do you ever seen Intel and Nvidia ever showing a demo of their unreleased product.

Well I will give you this, you are consistent in your damning of AMD at each and every turn. I wouldnt say disaster by any means. In fact apart from the five videos AMD havent really said too much at all. The forum seems to take everything AMD put out and make up their own marketing roadmap.

 

[D.P.]

You can't SLI the GTX 1060 ^^^^

In apart to protect sales of higher end Nvidia cards, and also Nvidia is moving away form supporting SLI in general.

But you can use DX12 multi-adpater and get the 1060 to outperform the 1080, which was entirely my point.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2519-gtx-1060-sli-benchmark-in-ashes-multi-gpu

There is nothing special about XF RX480s being similar to a 1080 in performance

 

[humbug]

DX12 multi-adpater doesn't exist ^^^^^. even when it does nVidia may want to block that too.

What you are saying is very different to what I was saying.

I never said 1080 TI, but current 1080 owners wont switch to a 1080+10%.


If you have an older card then the AMd offering may be more interesting, and that is why nvidia will price accordingly. IF Vegas requires HBM2 then NVidia have a lot fo wiggle room in prices, and since they have already made lots of profit can reduce their profit share further than AMD wish willing to. not that I believe Nvidia will have to, performance and market recognition will be enough to ensure nvidia's sales are healthy.



What if Vega turns out to be like FuryX, and Nvidia release a 1080ti that is both cheaper and faster?

There is something in that.

The GTX 1060 / RX 480 is no better than that large middling clump of GPU owners, the GTX 970/80 - R9 2/390/X owners.
The GTX 1070 is more expensive than a lot are able or willing to pay, which is where a more reasonably priced GTX 1070 level card would do quite well.

 

[Doom112]

All i want from AMD is just to give their consumer the real expectation not like poking Volta in their ad for VEGA ,which they do not even have a GPU that will beat a GTX Titan X any soon leave alone Volta.

The management and AMD PR is really like leader of the 3rd world country where you promise so many things but you fail to deliver most of that.

 

[humbug]

You said that like 54 times in 20 minutes now Doom... we get it!

 

[Legend]

All i want from AMD is just to give their consumer the real expectation not like poking Volta in their ad for VEGA ,which they do not even have a GPU that will beat a GTX Titan X any soon leave alone Volta.

The management and AMD PR is really like leader of the 3rd world country where you promise so many things but you fail to deliver most of that.

Yeah, and that's going to come back and haunt them I reckon. Hilarious they would even go there with that campaign if VEGA ends up barely scraping past 1080 performance levels (which seems likely). It's actually embarrassing. Nevermind their campaigns being aimed at 16-year old kids, they're DESIGNED by 16-year olds!!

 

[D.P.]

Like what? i read a lot of criticisms about AMD yet no one seems to have any answers to accompany those criticism.

Releasing a top to bottom line up 14nm to compete with NVida at all levels would have helped a lot.

A new marketing strategy where they forget trying to be the udnerdog and blaming Nvidia for all life's woes and just concentrating on maing good products and showing off the good points. Work with developers instead of spreading proaganda about gamesworks and expecitng the world to lap up GPUOpen etc.

 

[D.P.]

All i want from AMD is just to give their consumer the real expectation not like poking Volta in their ad for VEGA ,which they do not even have a GPU that will beat a GTX Titan X any soon leave alone Volta.

The management and AMD PR is really like leader of the 3rd world country where you promise so many things but you fail to deliver most of that.

The whole Volta jbe was just ridiculous. Vollta requires a decent node shrink, the 10nm looks like another stop gap like 20nm . If Volta is delayed then it has little to do with nvidia, there just isn't a process available yet. It is not like AMD have a competitors to Volta they have announced, Vega is an answer to Maxwell bring technologies like tile-based back-end to remove the deficiency that GCN has been lacking since many iterations iterations.

 

[Legend]

Releasing a top to bottom line up 14nm to compete with NVida at all levels would have helped a lot.

A new marketing strategy where they forget trying to be the udnerdog and blaming Nvidia for all life's woes and just concentrating on maing good products and showing off the good points. Work with developers instead of spreading proaganda about gamesworks and expecitng the world to lap up GPUOpen etc.

Yeah but that was never going to happen. Their mindset and approach is too entrenched, and I see nothing is going to change that now. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

 

[Doom112]

The problem what i see with AMD is that they need to save cost. For example GTX 1060 has less rops, less core, less die size compare to RX 480 ,however, it is still competitive with AMDs RX 480, which has around 20% more die size, and double the core etc.

These things cost AMD more than Nvidia ,however, AMD still need to sell these products lower cost than Nvidia competitive products.

 

[humbug]

Yeah, and that's going to come back and haunt them I reckon. Hilarious they would even go there with that campaign if VEGA ends up barely scraping past 1080 performance levels (which seems likely). It's actually embarrassing.

So if AMD can't make a much better GPU than Nvidia with similar tools its an embarrassment.

That really doesn't help and its an example of this expectation of AMD must be so much better than nVdia before they are a consideration.

Why not consider an AMD GPU without the loyalties?

 

[humbug]

AMD's ads are all some people around here can talk about.

You guys do know some ads are deliberately controversial or even annoying because that is what keeps them and the product in conversation more and for longer, you guys are reacting to the ad in exactly the way its intended to manipulate.

If you don't like ads like that don't go on about them constantly, that way they don't have the desired effect and we shall never have to see them.

 

[Legend]

So if AMD can't make a much better GPU than Nvidia with similar tools its an embarrassment.

That really doesn't help and its an example of this expectation of AMD must be so much better than nVdia before they are a consideration.

Why not consider an AMD GPU without the loyalties?

That's blatantly NOT what I said lol! I said the Volta jibe was embarrassing, which it is. Besides, there is no longer any expectation that AMD must be so much better than Nvidia... the expectation is that they won't, but there is a NEED for them to be if people are to actually take them seriously and if there is to be any (necessary) shake-up of the top tier GPU marketplace, which Nvidia dominate. AMD delivering a card that barely manages to beat one that's been on the market for a good year is not going to achieve that. Sure it will sell and see AMD return good profits, regain some market share and make some consumers happy... but it will change NOTHING. This is forgetting the fact Nvidia are going to beat them to the punch with the faster 1080Ti anyway. Had AMD released VEGA 1 year or even 6 months ago, things would have been quite different.

 

[humbug]

That's blatantly NOT what I said lol! I said the Volta jibe was embarrassing, which it is. Besides, there is no longer any expectation that AMD must be so much better than Nvidia... the expectation is that they won't, but there is a NEED for them to be if people are to actually take them seriously and if there is to be any (necessary) shake-up of the top tier GPU marketplace, which Nvidia dominate. AMD delivering a card that barely manages to beat one that's been on the market for a good year is not going to achieve that. Sure it will sell and see AMD return good profits, regain some market share and make some consumers happy... but it will change NOTHING.

What the cards are should have nothing to do with AMD's commercials, read above.
You don't actually take those ads at face value do you?

 

[Doom112]

So if AMD can't make a much better GPU than Nvidia with similar tools its an embarrassment.

That really doesn't help and its an example of this expectation of AMD must be so much better than nVdia before they are a consideration.

Why not consider an AMD GPU without the loyalties?

What will be your reaction if VEGA is has same performance as GTX 1080 and it it priced same as GTX 1080 after a year?

 

[Legend]

What the cards are should have nothing to do with AMD's commercials, read above.
You don't actually take those add at face value do you?

That's really NOT the point and anyone who does take those ads (or ANY ad for that matter haha) at face value is obviously 6-years old lol! It's still a laughable thing for them to have done, makes no sense and wildly inaccurate and misleading to the nth degree.

 

[Doom112]

That's really NOT the point and anyone who does take those ads (or ANY ad for that matter haha) at face value is obviously 6-years old lol! It's still a laughable thing for them to have done, makes no sense and wildly inaccurate and misleading to the nth degree.

AMD is a billion dollar company and it is a globalized company ,however, this is one the reason why AMD fail to win the people who are willing to spend a large amount $$$$ into GPUS. One of the reason is their marketing faults ,which only target market around 16 year old or less.

 

[humbug]

Ten Billion dollar + company ^^^

What will be your reaction if VEGA is has same performance as GTX 1080 and it it priced same as GTX 1080 after a year?

I wont lose any sleep over it, i'm not interested in a card like that.

But to address the point you are making i think that would be a disaster for AMD if they couldn't make an equivalent card cheaper, Because of nVidia's mindshare they must just to survive.

If the GTX 1070 equivalent is the same price IE £380< i will buy it, at that point i wouldn't have a choice, i have a Free-Sync screen and an ageing GTX 970.

 

[maonayze]

What if Vega turns out to be like FuryX, and Nvidia release a 1080ti that is both cheaper and faster?

I think the 1080Ti and the optimised driver Vega 10 with be on a par with each other or within 5% and that was not the case with the Fury X on release against a 980Ti. So AMD seem to have made up a little ground on them this round. It doesnt matter if the Vega cards are a year later than Pascal....When I go to get a card I look at the performance of what is currently available and cost/value for money and not whether one architecture is 6 - 12 months older than the other.

Volta will come out when Volta comes out and as it is either late 2017 or early 2018 at the earliest then that will not factor into my next card purchase....If I do decide to spend it at all. I only run 1440p and my Fury does that very well indeed. Being honest I dont need a newer card right now as the one I have is doing the job.

Now IF the launched Vega 10 is 10 - 20% faster than a Titan XP...then I may think about it, if the price is like £500. LOL Flying Pigs for tea tonight