AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[humbug]

One SKU gets divided up into at least two GPU's, so Full-Fat big Vega = GTX 1080 - Cut-Down big Vega = GTX 1070.

Full-Fat little Vega = ? Cut-Down little Vega = ? RX480/70 occupy those slots.

 

[five8five]

My next guess is that little vega competes with the 1070 directly within 10% and will be slightly cheaper.

I just had a thought that I would like anyone to clear up or provide any further info on......When we saw the Doom 4k Vulkan demo I believe we saw the card was running 8GB of Ram....is this correct?

The big question is....Do we actually know if this is HBM2.....did it show it was HMB2? Could it indeed be GDDR5X and could AMD be doing the same as Nvidia this time around, so as to avoid bigger production costs and therefore keep the cards costs down until HBM2 finally surfaces on Vega 20 or even Navi.

Just a thought, that's all.

I thought the core with HBM was shown by AMD and a slide detailed the specs?

 

[Mtom]

Is there any confirmation on a 1080TI or is that just speculation? ^^^^



Pascal TX would be about 1,000mm2 on the same node as Fury-X, 28nm vs 16, you can't compare them.

Vega will be around the same size as Pascal TX and faster than the GTX 1080, it may not actually end up that far off but no it was never going to beat it, AMD are working with similar tools that nVidia are, they don't have a magic wand anymore than nVidia do.

Same was said about the 290X..."pff don't make me laugh, they will never beat the Titan, its massive, its the most powerful chip...its...a bit slower than the 290X..."

 

[humbug]

Same was sad about the 290X..."pff don't make me laugh, they will never beat the Titan, its massive, its the most powerful chip...its...a bit slower than the 290X..."

You got me there....

 

[D.P.]

Thats a good point, if big Vega is the GTX 1070/80 equivalent what pigeon hole does little Vega fall into? and is the RX 480 EOL?

RX480 is probably EOL. I will have been out a year which is long enough. Polaris only had minor tweaks over previous GCN, If vega is really a complete new uArch hen AMD will want it to cover a good amount of the line up.

 

[flopper]

Vega 20% faster than the 1080 with unknown clocks atm.
lacks mature driver. Has 20 to 50% more potential due to an overhaul of the whole shader tech and other such along the way.
so we are looking at a card that can be 40 to 70% better than a 1080.

Raja can smoke any cigar and dance naked if he likes with that job done well.

Star bound gaming power with Vega.

 

[TNA]

Pascal TX would be about 1,000mm2 on the same node as Fury-X, 28nm vs 16, you can't compare them.

Vega will be around the same size as Pascal TX and faster than the GTX 1080, it may not actually end up that far off but no it was never going to beat it, AMD are working with similar tools that nVidia are, they don't have a magic wand anymore than nVidia do.

Sorry man but that post does not make sense to me, it is like you read something else


Where did I compare two different manufacturing processes? I clearly said die size and made it clear that the Titan XP die size is not as big as you are saying. You seem to be confused between die size and how many transistors a gpu has.

Secondly about AMD not having a magic wand.. What do you mean? I just told you all the advantages they have over Nvidia by coming out nearly a year later... Now if they cannot beat the Titan XP using the advantage of HBM2 and all that extra time and more mature process, that is something else. But what does magic or what you are saying got to do with anything?

 

[tyler_jrb]

Vega 20% faster than the 1080 with unknown clocks atm.
lacks mature driver. Has 20 to 50% more potential due to an overhaul of the whole shader tech and other such along the way.
so we are looking at a card that can be 40 to 70% better than a 1080.

Raja can smoke any cigar and dance naked if he likes with that job done well.

Star bound gaming power with Vega.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I have to say it would be weird to me if they brought out a Vega card with the same specs as the 480, that it wasn't at least 25% faster with all the additions made. That would push a 480 specced Vega alone close to a 1070. So why is it so hard to believe something so much bigger could beat a 1080?

Not trying to jump on the hype bandwagon, but I am genuinely curious.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

thus putting it in and around the ballpark of a 1080 Ti assuming the Ti is not a Titan XP with a price cut and does indeed arrive within 10% of a Titan XP, which was rumoured that Nvidia would put a bigger performance gap between the 1080Ti and Titan XP this time around.

but only in DOOM

 

[Lokken86]

I stand by my prediction. Faster than 1080. Slower than 1080ti. Just as the Fury X was a bit faster than the 980gtx on launch.
Its like nvidia are someone with a 100 pound note on a string and AMD is the guy chasing it. Just when they almost snatch it, tug on the string, no you don't.

 

[ljt]

The GTX 1060 / RX 480 is no better than that large middling clump of GPU owners, the GTX 970/80 - R9 2/390/X owners.
The GTX 1070 is more expensive than a lot are able or willing to pay, which is where a more reasonably priced GTX 1070 level card would do quite well.

Pretty much agree 100%.

On a gtx 970 myself. Looked forward to its replacement (1070) release, expecting it to be around same price as I paid for 970 (£270 but would have stretched to max £300) but nope, way too expensive.

The 1060/rx 480 doesn't offer enough boost in performance over my 970, for very close to what I paid for my 970 nearly 2 years ago.

So if there is a Vega card at 1070 performance for £300 max, then they'll have a buyer here

 

[Besty]

1080 is around £570 at the moment going up to to around £725 for a top bin with cooler.

Without a 1080ti in place AMD could go £600 for a bottom bin and £750 for a top bin for a VEGA. With a 1080ti in-place that puts VEGA around the same price as a 1080 which is £575.

 

[nashathedog]

Vega 20% faster than the 1080 with unknown clocks atm.
lacks mature driver. Has 20 to 50% more potential due to an overhaul of the whole shader tech and other such along the way.
so we are looking at a card that can be 40 to 70% better than a 1080.

Wow!

Is this a tongue in cheek joke I don't get or do you seriously believe that?

 

[nashathedog]

Has something leaked or is it merely speculation that the next AMD card is slightly beating the 1080?.

It's been shown matching or slightly ahead of a 1080 in Doom with the Vulcan api, It's been shown with Battlefront again in roughly the same situation, It suggests that with a stock Vega versus a stock 1080 the Vega may be slightly ahead but I think it's going to vary on a game to game basis. An overclocked 1080 takes the lead and for now we do not know whether Vega can overclock by much, I'm guessing not as I think it is having the HBM on the die that breaks stability when overclocking but we'll all know in a few months.

 

[drunkenmaster]

It's been shown matching or slightly ahead of a 1080 in Doom with the Vulcan api, It's been shown with Battlefront again in roughly the same situation, It suggests that with a stock Vega versus a stock 1080 the Vega may be slightly ahead but I think it's going to vary on a game to game basis. An overclocked 1080 takes the lead and for now we do not know whether Vega can overclock by much, I'm guessing not as I think it is having the HBM on the die that breaks stability when overclocking but we'll all know in a few months.

The doom run is still afaik the video shown in December with newly back silicon. They stated as a fact it was running on Fiji drivers, it was incredibly unlikely to have any specific optimisation for the new architecture, the game that is. That performance is extremely unlikely to represent even particularly close to final performance.

I would guess that final clocks will end up significantly faster than when demoed and that drivers will give another large boost, 10+% for both cases.

 

[FoxEye]

1080 is around £570 at the moment going up to to around £725 for a top bin with cooler.

Without a 1080ti in place AMD could go £600 for a bottom bin and £750 for a top bin for a VEGA. With a 1080ti in-place that puts VEGA around the same price as a 1080 which is £575.

Who would that pricing appeal to? You're suggesting that a 1080 should be cheaper than a Vega card...

...and you know that nVidia has a much, much perception aka mindshare.

And yet you think AMD should charge *MORE* for a comparable product... that's a YEAR late?

Are you trying to sink AMD? Do you honestly believe there are people out there waiting for AMD to launch a card because they're allergic to nVidia?

Jeepers. If AMD do what you suggest it would be pretty astounding. And not in a good way.

 

[nashathedog]

The doom run is still afaik the video shown in December with newly back silicon. They stated as a fact it was running on Fiji drivers, it was incredibly unlikely to have any specific optimisation for the new architecture, the game that is. That performance is extremely unlikely to represent even particularly close to final performance.

I would guess that final clocks will end up significantly faster than when demoed and that drivers will give another large boost, 10+% for both cases.

I'd love it if it is but I think we'll be doing good if it can match or just beat a 1080.

 

[Doogles]

I'm hoping this is a total fail so I can feel big and proud owning a 1070 with a Freesync monitor XD

 

[D1craig]

Pretty much agree 100%.

On a gtx 970 myself. Looked forward to its replacement (1070) release, expecting it to be around same price as I paid for 970 (£270 but would have stretched to max £300) but nope, way too expensive.

The 1060/rx 480 doesn't offer enough boost in performance over my 970, for very close to what I paid for my 970 nearly 2 years ago.

So if there is a Vega card at 1070 performance for £300 max, then they'll have a buyer here

i was guna wait myself but i dont think they are guna be <£300 so im going to get rx480 with wb soon as i cant put up with the coil whine i sometimes get, even though its not hard to sort of fix i cant stand it.