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Looks like the hype train has derailed, good job i never got on it 
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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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Looks like the hype train has derailed, good job i never got on it
To expect it to be a Pascal TX beater was frankly fantasy, that is a massive chip, biggest chip ever made, i think.
As i always said it doesn't need to be.
Looks like the hype train has derailed, good job i never got on it
and 5 to 6 months before the product is released. It could get any worse thanks to AMD genius marketing.
Looks like the hype train has derailed, good job i never got on it
AMD's train was always a Hope Train, not a Hype Train. The Hype Train was created by people on these forums and powered by clickbait such as WCCFTech et al.
Apart from AMDs videos released last week they havent said much about it at all. If you remember before Pascal came out Nvidia said very little at all. I remember this because lots of Nvidia users were screaming for news for months.
I think this is way better than putting bits and pieces out that people just speculate wildy over and are then dissapointed when it turns out not to live up to their own wild expectations.
I think the 1080Ti and the optimised driver Vega 10 with be on a par with each other or within 5% and that was not the case with the Fury X on release against a 980Ti. So AMD seem to have made up a little ground on them this round. It doesnt matter if the Vega cards are a year later than Pascal....When I go to get a card I look at the performance of what is currently available and cost/value for money and not whether one architecture is 6 - 12 months older than the other.
Volta will come out when Volta comes out and as it is either late 2017 or early 2018 at the earliest then that will not factor into my next card purchase....If I do decide to spend it at all. I only run 1440p and my Fury does that very well indeed. Being honest I dont need a newer card right now as the one I have is doing the job.
Now IF the launched Vega 10 is 10 - 20% faster than a Titan XP...then I may think about it, if the price is like £500. LOL Flying Pigs for tea tonight
Where are you getting information that Vega 10 will be similar to th 1080Ti, all the rumors and the AMD demos are showing similar to the regular 1080.
I'm surprised and wouldn't half expect the rumors to be wrong but AMD's own demos don't seem to suggest otherwise.
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The thing is Doom, two 480s do indeed compete within a whisker of a 1080 and beat a 1070. This is why I was thinking that if they concentrated on getting the CF drivers and patches right then that would be another way of competing with the bigger Nvidia cards (Obviously buying two cards needed to be competitively priced to the big card as well, as in slightly cheaper).
I still hope that they will now start to optimise for CF because isn't Vega 20 just two Vega 10 chips on one card? i also heard that there may be the possibility of getting them to be recognized as one card rather than two...now if they could pull that off it would change a few things (Remember Rebellions are built on hope).
I wouldn't bother putting any eggs in that basket.
Going on previous experience we should all be aiming for a single card set-up from now on, Plus it sounds like Vega negates any reason to use a pair of 480's for 1080 performance and while a pair of Vega chips would undoutedly outperform the TXP and any full chip version it's likely to suffer the same fate as the 295.
I won't bother replying to the AMD Volta add stuff as that is just silliness really what is being spoken about IMO. lol. But I will reply to you and say I disagree that it was fantasy for big Vega to match or beat Titan XP. They had nearly an extra year and a more mature process, new architecture and hbm2.
Titan X Pascal's die size is 471mm squared, so not was big as you may think, only a bit bigger than the 390 and small compared to Fury X which was 596mm squared!
So, taking that into account, with 9-12 months after Titan XP, Big Vega should be able to have just as big, if not actually a bigger die to aid it in matching or beating Titan XP!
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Read my comment again....it starts with I THINK....therefore it's my estimated guess.
The Titan XP is 30% or thereabouts faster than a 1080....please correct me if I have indeed got this wrong. Vega 10 is said to be competing with the 1080 on current guess work from a few performance videos, and we know that the drivers are Fiji Drivers not optimised properly for Vega or Vulkan. So I THINK that what with the proper optimised VEGA driver set and any performance optimisations gleaned within the first 4-6 months of release, that it will gain at least 15 - 20% and maybe a bit more...no-one knows...thus putting it in and around the ballpark of a 1080 Ti assuming the Ti is not a Titan XP with a price cut and does indeed arrive within 10% of a Titan XP, which was rumoured that Nvidia would put a bigger performance gap between the 1080Ti and Titan XP this time around.
Benchmarks and everything leaked so far points very strongly towards this outcome. Nothing indicates that it is going to be near the 1080Ti, nothing at all. It will be in and around the 1080, all but guaranteed. It is far more deduction than speculation.
Is there any confirmation on a 1080TI or is that just speculation? ^^^^
Pascal TX would be about 1,000mm2 on the same node as Fury-X, 28nm vs 16, you can't compare them.
Vega will be around the same size as Pascal TX and faster than the GTX 1080, it may not actually end up that far off but no it was never going to beat it, AMD are working with similar tools that nVidia are, they don't have a magic wand anymore than nVidia do.
Pascal TX would be about 1,000mm2 on the same node as Fury-X, 28nm vs 16, you can't compare them.
Vega will be around the same size as Pascal TX and faster than the GTX 1080, it may not actually end up that far off but no it was never going to beat it, AMD are working with similar tools that nVidia are, they don't have a magic wand anymore than nVidia do.
Which cave have you been hiding in
It's based on the Doom demo that was first thought to be small Vega but is actually Big Vega.
Thats a good point, if big Vega is the GTX 1070/80 equivalent what pigeon hole does little Vega fall into? and is the RX 480 EOL?
Which cave have you been hiding in
It's based on the Doom demo that was first thought to be small Vega but is actually Big Vega.
Ah I see, at the same point then. Just after reading last two pages I was under the impression something more concrete emerged. I thought the popular concencus was that the drivers were immature and even though the performance is what it's at now, that would improve?. I was also always under the impression that the demo'd card was big Vega.
The same was said about the FX and look where that ended up. VEGA would need to be twice as fast as the FX to beat or match the TXP.
Thats a lot to manage for AMD with the same core count, new arch and HMB2. They would need to be a long the same lines (within 10%) of pascal efficency with VEGA. I cant see it myself, considering how far polaris is behind it.
But you never know
Exactly, why would they sandbag. Show what it can actually do to prevent Nvidia potential sales.
My next guess is that little vega competes with the 1070 directly within 10% and will be slightly cheaper.
I just had a thought that I would like anyone to clear up or provide any further info on......When we saw the Doom 4k Vulkan demo I believe we saw the card was running 8GB of Ram....is this correct?
The big question is....Do we actually know if this is HBM2.....did it show it was HMB2? Could it indeed be GDDR5X and could AMD be doing the same as Nvidia this time around, so as to avoid bigger production costs and therefore keep the cards costs down until HBM2 finally surfaces on Vega 20 or even Navi.
Just a thought, that's all.
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