AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[FoxEye]

i was guna wait myself but i dont think they are guna be <£300 so im going to get rx480 with wb soon as i cant put up with the coil whine i sometimes get, even though its not hard to sort of fix i cant stand it.

Yeah I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to be silly money like Fury/Nano on release.

 

[DazQ87]

There's no way it's going to be cheap, HBM2 coupled with weak pound means we are going to be paying a lot.

I predict £500-£600, but with performance smack in the middle between the 1080 and titan xp. I'll probably buy one at that price point because I have a freesync 1440p/144Hz monitor and my fury-x isn't delivering the fps i want in recent games.

We all know as soon as vega comes out the 1080ti will drop in the same way that the 980ti rained on the fury-x's parade. Pushing the 1080 and 1070s prices down a little and leaving the 1060 and below unchanged price wise.

 

[Lokken86]

There's no way it's going to be cheap, HBM2 coupled with weak pound means we are going to be paying a lot.

I predict £500-£600, but with performance smack in the middle between the 1080 and titan xp. I'll probably buy one at that price point because I have a freesync 1440p/144Hz monitor and my fury-x isn't delivering the fps i want in recent games.

We all know as soon as vega comes out the 1080ti will drop in the same way that the 980ti rained on the fury-x's parade. Pushing the 1080 and 1070s prices down a little and leaving the 1060 and below unchanged price wise.

Little Vega might have something to say about the 1060 price tbh.
I hope little Vega is a mining weapon myself.

 

[Kaapstad]

Vega 20% faster than the 1080 with unknown clocks atm.
lacks mature driver. Has 20 to 50% more potential due to an overhaul of the whole shader tech and other such along the way.
so we are looking at a card that can be 40 to 70% better than a 1080.

Raja can smoke any cigar and dance naked if he likes with that job done well.

Star bound gaming power with Vega.

That 1080 was 137 years old when they did that comparison.

 

[akarypid]

I'd still consider a card with 1080 performance + 10% for the same price as a 1080, absolutely. Tied into a freesync monitor so that would be happy days for me!

The 1080 and 1070 are overpriced. It's the curse of this generation due to lack of competition.

If Vega is 1080+10% at the same price as a 1080, it'll simply be somewhat more reasonably priced. I think closer to £300 would be ideal. Then the 1080 can drop in price to match its real level of performance.

I'd still get the Vega in this case. I'm the kind of gamer that doesn't really care whether I get 65 or 75 FPS at 4K. I just want things to be affordable, so gotta support the underdog while it's still in the race...

EDIT: I was talking 1080 but thinking 1070 prices as that's the tier I find more interesting... (or maybe it's wishful thinking, that they'd manage to offer a 1080+10% at that price range)...

 

[akarypid]

The only glimmer of hope for anything faster is optimised drivers. Usually that's an excuse when demos don't match expectations that doesn't really come to fruition, but in this case Vega is a major architectural change and the recent demo was supposedly using tweaked Fiji drivers, so it's at least possible that non-trivial improvements can be made via optimised drivers in this case.

...but that's just it, don't you get it?

With the recent driver improvements which pushed the 480 just over the 1060, they needed something to reset. So,they gimped the Vega drivers so much, it has given them YEARS of room to gradually improve. 3 years from now, Vega will be faster than Volta (1180).

 

[J.D]

It's been shown matching or slightly ahead of a 1080 in Doom with the Vulcan api, It's been shown with Battlefront again in roughly the same situation, It suggests that with a stock Vega versus a stock 1080 the Vega may be slightly ahead but I think it's going to vary on a game to game basis. An overclocked 1080 takes the lead and for now we do not know whether Vega can overclock by much, I'm guessing not as I think it is having the HBM on the die that breaks stability when overclocking but we'll all know in a few months.

The doom run is still afaik the video shown in December with newly back silicon. They stated as a fact it was running on Fiji drivers, it was incredibly unlikely to have any specific optimisation for the new architecture, the game that is. That performance is extremely unlikely to represent even particularly close to final performance.

I would guess that final clocks will end up significantly faster than when demoed and that drivers will give another large boost, 10+% for both cases.

Ah I see, at the same point then. Just after reading last two pages I was under the impression something more concrete emerged. I thought the popular concencus was that the drivers were immature and even though the performance is what it's at now, that would improve?.

As I pointed to in the previous page and which DM highlights, I was under the impression the demo could be Vega with a chain around its neck. I hope like you do there's more to it than this but tbh, I'm happy a powerful AMD card is coming out regardless. I don't care who wins the crown for the fastest GPU or whatever but I do want to see competitive price per performance again. Uncontested, well we've seen what Nvidia have done with pricing and as a business where money talks, I don't fault them as it's the consumer that allowed them to do that.

I've been hovering over a 1070 Amp Extreme for the last couple of weeks but going to hold off for Vega. The 290X can keep me going till then. I'm quite excited with this release, I just hope it's a success which benefits us all.

 

[Doom112]

As I pointed to in the previous page and which DM highlights, I was under the impression the demo could be Vega with a chain around its neck. I hope like you do there's more to it than this but tbh, I'm happy a powerful AMD card is coming out regardless. I don't care who wins the crown for the fastest GPU or whatever but I do want to see competitive price per performance again. Uncontested, well we've seen what Nvidia have done with pricing and as a business where money talks, I don't fault them as it's the consumer that allowed them to do that.

I've been hovering over a 1070 Amp Extreme for the last couple of weeks but going to hold off for Vega. The 290X can keep me going till then. I'm quite excited with this release, I just hope it's a success which benefits us all.

The problem is that AMD is not giving anything new and they are 1 year behind just to give a very similar GTX 1080 performance . Nvidia has all the balls in their court, they can reduce the prices by a lot, which will DOA vega launch just like Fury X or they can even release a GTX 1080 Ti with a similar price of VEGA.

Some people think that big companies ,which are investing billions in their R&D are stupid. AMD knows that they cannot compete with Nvidia high end cards ,therefore, they marking business shifts.

 

[mahius]

Looks like Doom and Gloom for AMD, and thusly by extension, Doom and Gloom for PC Hardware. And we were so close to 4k60... I guess those 4k144Hz monitors will never fully be utilised outside of folks playing at lower resolution/high FPS and 4k.

I also feel like a lucky dog for buying a 970 when I did. A shame I never managed to pick up a 980ti at a reaonable price (cos the 1070 sure is not as reasonable as clearance 980tis).

At as meeting at work the other week, there were mentions of anti-competition legislation/laws that prevented companies from growing too large, to ensure consumers always got a good choice of products. Due to that, certain companies are prevented from growing too large or having too many mergers. Unfortunately, that is not the PC hardware GPU/CPU market, I feel that we could really use something similar to protect consumers of this industry.

 

[Boomstick777]

What's with all the doom and gloom in this thread. Jezus guys, maybe go outside take a break. These cards aren't even released yet. Get depressed after they launch, seriously get another hobby to go alongside gaming xD

Bunch of miserable doom and gloomers

 

[Kaapstad]

Before jumping to conclusions about Vega we need to see what the "bang per transistor" is as this will show where AMD are at the moment.

 

[DarrenM343]

Do you honestly believe there are people out there waiting for AMD to launch a card because they're allergic to nVidia?

I think the answer to that is Yes. Some do simply want to buy an AMD product and there's nothing wrong with that if that's what they want to do. However, I think most won't pay more than a 1080 price for one though.

 

[old gamer]

i cant see what all the fuss is about, if its 1070/80 performance then there is still a upgrade path for 290/90 and fury owners, and with a good price i can see the attraction if people are looking at freesync monitors.

the only doom and gloom i see is for people wanting cheaper nvidia cards because unless they are pushed on performance there prices aint dropping

 

[DragonQ]

...but that's just it, don't you get it?

With the recent driver improvements which pushed the 480 just over the 1060

I know your post was in jest but regarding this particular point, can you point me to evidence of this? I've only seen one comprehensive comparison between the 480 and 1060 (on Reddit) and it showed (a) the 1060 was faster in the majority of games, and (b) that game release date (and therefore benchmarking date) had no correlation with the difference between the two cards. That would suggest that either drivers aren't noticeably changing performance, or they are for both nVidia and AMD.

 

[tyler_jrb]

The 1080 and 1070 are overpriced. It's the curse of this generation due to lack of competition.

If Vega is 1080+10% at the same price as a 1080, it'll simply be somewhat more reasonably priced. I think closer to £300 would be ideal. Then the 1080 can drop in price to match its real level of performance.

Unfortunately even in 2015 before the release of the Ti the 980 was £400. The pound was a lot stronger as well.

I think both are too expensive yes but there isn't no way on earth VEGA will be £300. My guess is if it's faster than the 1080 it will be £600 or there abouts if not more.

The problem is the dead pound it's pretty much a 1/1 now. If it had been that 2014/5 We'd have seen 980's at 5-£600 too.

 

[alec]

Fury pricing was bad. It launched at price above 980 because surely it was beating 980. But 980Ti launch and bad press from cooling system and frankly underwhelming performance, which only improved much later, meant nobody bought Fury but miners.

RX480 had much better tactic. Aggressively undermine 1060 even after proving to be faster.

 

[nashathedog]

I'm hoping this is a total fail so I can feel big and proud owning a 1070 with a Freesync monitor XD

At least you was smart enough to buy this gen's "best for the money" gpu.

 

[Erik13]

I thought the core with HBM was shown by AMD and a slide detailed the specs?

What's with all the doom and gloom in this thread. Jezus guys, maybe go outside take a break. These cards aren't even released yet. Get depressed after they launch, seriously get another hobby to go alongside gaming xD

Bunch of miserable doom and gloomers

They already killed this card without proper benchs and basing their decision on early sample and immature drivers lol Seriously go outside or do smthng productive

 

[Rroff]

i cant see what all the fuss is about, if its 1070/80 performance then there is still a upgrade path for 290/90 and fury owners, and with a good price i can see the attraction if people are looking at freesync monitors.

the only doom and gloom i see is for people wanting cheaper nvidia cards because unless they are pushed on performance there prices aint dropping

While that is great for 290 owners the problem is that this late after the 1070 they aren't likely to make the money from it (without atleast one card in the lineup producing an effect on the market) they need to be.

 

[J.D]

The problem is that AMD is not giving anything new and they are 1 year behind just to give a very similar GTX 1080 performance . Nvidia has all the balls in their court, they can reduce the prices by a lot, which will DOA vega launch just like Fury X or they can even release a GTX 1080 Ti with a similar price of VEGA.

Some people think that big companies ,which are investing billions in their R&D are stupid. AMD knows that they cannot compete with Nvidia high end cards ,therefore, they marking business shifts.

See I don't think they'll do that. I think Vega will be priced accordingly to the market and not to the consumers wishes and then it will be a price war between the two.

Ultra high end is usually bragging rights though Doom. Those sales are not what makes the most money but they do help show a strong front for those buying low-mid range and higher so it all helps really. AMD have a good opportunity to shake things up like they have before on price/performance. I hope so as it would be nice to see not to mention beneficial for the market to stir up some competition.

I've been hovering over a 1070 Amp Extreme for the last couple of weeks but going to hold off for Vega. The 290X can keep me going till then. I'm quite excited with this release, I just hope it's a success which benefits us all.

6AM I say I'm waiting for Vega, 3 hours and a bit later, I've got a Zotac amp extreme 1070 arriving on Monday. Man of my word!.