AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[JediFragger]

lol'd

Same

 

[humbug]

pretty funny

 

[Rezident]

any closer to release?

Has to be Q2 at the earliest.

 

[Dave2150]

Think we'll have some Vega news soon, judging by the mass RX480 sales worldwide

 

[nashathedog]

Not wanting to bring this into here but look to Nvidia, both Maxwell and Pascal do it.

This is AMD catching up, in that regard, that is not a bad thing or even a criticism, i think its one of those things AMD didn't look at because Nvidia claimed it as their own tech, not anymore, they can't, Samsung saw to that.

Of course it isn't, being able to recognise the need and then implement the tech into your own is a good thing as it will allow Vega to not get caught out if the competition push for it's inclusion during a games development. Just like they were planning to do with the Just Cause 3 DX12 patch.

 

[Mauller]

Of course it isn't, being able to recognise the need and then implement the tech into your own is a good thing as it will allow Vega to not get caught out if the competition push for it's inclusion during a games development. Just like they were planning to do with the Just Cause 3 DX12 patch.

tile based rasterisation is something the hardware just does regardless of game engine or graphics API. its just the way the GPU converts the 3D data into a flat image.

 

[nashathedog]

tile based rasterisation is something the hardware just does regardless of game engine or graphics API. its just the way the GPU converts the 3D data into a flat image.

I can't claim or even pretend to be knowledgable on the topic, I was just going on stuff like this and the fact that it was an Nvidia supported title and patch.

We’ll also showcase and discuss the PC exclusive features enabled thanks to DX12 such as Ordered Independent Transparency, and G-buffer blending using Raster Ordered Views and light assignment for clustered shading using Conservative Rasterization.

I'm under the impression AMD's current hardware doe not support this just as Nvidia's Maxwell doesn't support A-sync.

 

[Mauller]

I can't claim or even pretend to be knowledgable on the topic, I was just going on stuff like this and the fact that it was an Nvidia supported title and patch.

I'm under the impression AMD's current hardware doe not support this just as Nvidia's Maxwell doesn't support A-sync.

It can do those things with shaders, just not as efficiently as with dedicated hardware dioint it.

But there are still unannounced features with Vega, so AMD more than likely has implemented those things in hardware as well.

 

[humbug]

Of course it isn't, being able to recognise the need and then implement the tech into your own is a good thing as it will allow Vega to not get caught out if the competition push for it's inclusion during a games development. Just like they were planning to do with the Just Cause 3 DX12 patch.

See Mauller response

 

[AlamoX]

i have a question, would AMD be better off if they stopped making reference designes for their GPUs ?
they screw up every reference design they made for the last decade, aside from watercooling, and everytime as time goes by the GPU turns out to be great when it's not gimped by drivers and crappy cooler.
now that they nailed the driver side wouldn't it be better for AMD to let AIBs handle Vega's desktop market, the reputation of a GPU is set with the first reviews on release.
i know some ppl would argue that AMD need money from that, but the reality is they probably do not sell enough reference cards to justify the reputation they leave the card with, a reputation that they will spend twice as much money on marketing trying to fix it

 

[Yutang13]

i have a question, would AMD be better off if they stopped making reference designes for their GPUs ?
they screw up every reference design they made for the last decade, aside from watercooling, and everytime as time goes by the GPU turns out to be great when it's not gimped by drivers and crappy cooler.
now that they nailed the driver side wouldn't it be better for AMD to let AIBs handle Vega's desktop market, the reputation of a GPU is set with the first reviews on release.
i know some ppl would argue that AMD need money from that, but the reality is they probably do not sell enough reference cards to justify the reputation they leave the card with, a reputation that they will spend twice as much money on marketing trying to fix it

I think they should continue to provide reference coolers for the mid and below cards as they have a lower TDP and so a blower style cooler can cope with them.

For the bigger Vega cards I think they should produce reference PCBs and suggestions for cooling but not make a cooler themselves much like what they did the 390(X).
If they do make a cooler for those I'd recommend making it a Fury X style cooler but let AIBs do what they want for cooling.

 

[triss]

i have a question, would AMD be better off if they stopped making reference designes for their GPUs ?
they screw up every reference design they made for the last decade, aside from watercooling, and everytime as time goes by the GPU turns out to be great when it's not gimped by drivers and crappy cooler.
now that they nailed the driver side wouldn't it be better for AMD to let AIBs handle Vega's desktop market, the reputation of a GPU is set with the first reviews on release.
i know some ppl would argue that AMD need money from that, but the reality is they probably do not sell enough reference cards to justify the reputation they leave the card with, a reputation that they will spend twice as much money on marketing trying to fix it

I'd rather they just made a good reference cooler even if it cost a little more overall

 

[Gregster]

Watercoolers want reference cards, so they should still make them but yer, a bit more thought into the cooler would suit better.

 

[los]

Watercoolers want reference cards, so they should still make them but yer, a bit more thought into the cooler would suit better.

That is true, but some companies do fit their coolers to the reference PCB, sapphire tri-x for example.
I had a reference 480 and I couldnt stop it throttling, I'm guessing 100% fan would, but it wasnt worth the cost of a gpu block on this range of card. I would have been happy with a decent cooler, as I have now on my fury nitro.
But if you add the cost of a water block to this gpu, your at 1070 kind of money and a 480 would never match a 1070 even if it was watercooled.

 

[Panos]

Think we'll have some Vega news soon, judging by the mass RX480 sales worldwide

Lets not forget the big price drop the Duo has also, making it an extinct card just few days later.

I bet Vega is out March 3rd. AMD never before drag a card more than 3-4 months from the moment they announced it.
Some times, they even show to everyone the card and two months later was on the market.

Also that's around the period Ryzen hits the market, so that make also sense for marketing purposes for people to fully upgrade their systems in one go.
Or else there are chances those who will buy the 8/16 Ryzen, might buy a GTX1080 and not upgrade to Vega later this year.

 

[akarypid]

I bet Vega is out March 3rd. AMD never before drag a card more than 3-4 months from the moment they announced it.
Some times, they even show to everyone the card and two months later was on the market.

Also that's around the period Ryzen hits the market, so that make also sense for marketing purposes for people to fully upgrade their systems in one go.
Or else there are chances those who will buy the 8/16 Ryzen, might buy a GTX1080 and not upgrade to Vega later this year.

While I agree with the second part - a Ryzen/Vega combo could work wonders for marketing - I doubt it's just around the corner. Wish that you're right, but it's highly unlikely.

 

[Rroff]

Also that's around the period Ryzen hits the market, so that make also sense for marketing purposes for people to fully upgrade their systems in one go.
Or else there are chances those who will buy the 8/16 Ryzen, might buy a GTX1080 and not upgrade to Vega later this year.

Probably a good reason why it won't come at the same time - AMD never seem to do the things that would do them a favour marketing wise - even when it doesn't seem like its impossible and blindingly obvious to every one else.

 

[humbug]

AMD have been asked this, they put high end cooling on high end cards, such as the Fury, the rest they have to leave some room for AIB's to put better cooler on and charge more for them.

 

[Panos]

AMD have been asked this, they put high end cooling on high end cards, such as the Fury, the rest they have to leave some room for AIB's to put better cooler on and charge more for them.

Lets hope for this, because they will suffer as always with that stupid blower they use, since forever.
Not that matters to me, since it will go underwater straight away, but is first reviews that stick....

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Blower coolers are useful for XFire setups in smaller systems and for mini-ITX systems too. This is why I can't understand why AMD does not have cards with a decent blower cooler - they could easily make a decent reference design with a blower cooler and sell it through their AIB partners,as a lower volume model.

If Nvidia can make reasonable blower coolers,I can't see why AMD cannot. They should leave the AIB partners to engineer the better value cards IMHO OFC.