AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

humbug · 20 Sep 2016 at 18:03

bru said:
Well that rumoured FP16 performance puts it at about two 480's which is not as quick as the 1080, let alone the TitanX or even Volta.

Your Talking about Crosfire scaling, making a GPU twice the size is not Crossfire.

The GTX 1080 is 85% faster than the RX 480, a chip 2x the size of an RX 470 + 20% should beat the 1080, this based on the Polaris architecture, which of course its not.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html

Seanspeed · 20 Sep 2016 at 18:05

orbitalwalsh said:
bit on console topic but got me wondering if Xbox Scorpio will use a heavily cut down Vega 10 (ones that didn't cut the mustard) with GDDR5.

When Scorpio was announced for late 2017, it all but confirmed that it would be based on baby Vega.

Vega is supposed to come with further improved efficiency and with a rating of 6+ TF, there's little chance of it being Polaris-based.

GDDR5 is a pretty good guess, although HBM will have its advantages in terms of power and size. Really just depends on how much it costs. As MS are looking for *true* 4k gaming, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something they are(or have previously been) looking into.

TNA · 20 Sep 2016 at 18:20

Final8y said:
How about if comes in at Titan X pascal speed and £50 under Titan X pascal price, thats sounds a lot more reasonable.

To me it does not. Titan XP will likely have been out for 9 months at this point. AMD need to be aiming to match Volta which is rumored to come out in 2017. Not be playing catch up with a card that is already past half way of its life cycle.

Way I see it is, why would I buy a card for say £800 when I can wait 3-6 months for equivalent performance for half that price? I am always happy to wait

Bonjour said:
Surely it would be £800 minimum if it matched TXP?

You won't get 100% of the performance for 50% of the money. That would be crazy.

Really? People were happily buying titan x's (maxwell) earlier this year. Few months later 1070 did what you said would be crazy. Even better actually.

Tech needs to move forward, my friend. AMD I assume want to claim market share again. They need to deliver on their words and release a card that is disruptive. At least that is what I recall them saying with the480 which for me it was not.

Even if AMD release TitanXP beating performance for £500-600, Nvidia will just release a 1080Ti for that price matching it without breaking much sweat. And that is using their by then old Pascal tech, with Volta they will be able to do much better. So yeah, I expect AMD to release a great price for performance card like they have done many times in the past and I will buy it. Not unreasonable to expect

Just before people start saying I am a fan boy or something, check my sig. I genuinely swing both ways. Whoever offers best price for performance usually gets my money. I actually want Vega card, but what incentive would I have buying it at a price which I could have had it ages before at?

LoadsaMoney · 20 Sep 2016 at 18:54

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-vega-20-navi-7nm-finfet-globalfoundries/

Bonjour · 20 Sep 2016 at 19:19

TNA said:
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Really? People were happily buying titan x's (maxwell) earlier this year. Few months later 1070 did what you said would be crazy. Even better actually.

Tech needs to move forward, my friend. AMD I assume want to claim market share again. They need to deliver on their words and release a card that is disruptive. At least that is what I recall them saying with the480 which for me it was not.

Even if AMD release TitanXP beating performance for £500-600, Nvidia will just release a 1080Ti for that price matching it without breaking much sweat. And that is using their by then old Pascal tech, with Volta they will be able to do much better. So yeah, I expect AMD to release a great price for performance card like they have done many times in the past and I will buy it. Not unreasonable to expect

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To be fair, there is a precedent in the 290X matching the original Titan for almost half the money. With HBM2, though, Vega is looking like it may be a rather expensive GPU.

r7slayer · 20 Sep 2016 at 20:00

bru said:
Well that rumoured FP16 performance puts it at about two 480's which is not as quick as the 1080, let alone the TitanX or even Volta.

But your talking about Xfired cards. You'll never get 100% scaling. And with architectural improvements. It certainly would put it at 1080 performance with it looking like it will be faster.

bru · 20 Sep 2016 at 20:09

I never mentioned crossfire.

Gerard · 20 Sep 2016 at 20:36

r7slayer said:
But your talking about Xfired cards. You'll never get 100% scaling. And with architectural improvements. It certainly would put it at 1080 performance with it looking like it will be faster.

Some games in crossfire and sli for that matter in the past have scaled to 100%, doesn't happen often but it is possible.

TNA · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:22

Bonjour said:
To be fair, there is a precedent in the 290X matching the original Titan for almost half the money. With HBM2, though, Vega is looking like it may be a rather expensive GPU.

You guys make it sound like HBM2 costs ten times more than GDDR5 or something

LoadsaMoney said:
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-vega-20-navi-7nm-finfet-globalfoundries/

Oh and why are they reporting HBM2 to offer 512 GB/s bandwidth? Thought that was HBM1 and HBM2 would be double that?

TNA · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:28

Actually, are I am not even sure why I clicked on that WCCFTech link. So much of what they say were proven to be click bait lies not to long ago. Waste of time. Remember what they were saying about the RX 480? LOL

Final8y · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:29

TNA said:
To me it does not. Titan XP will likely have been out for 9 months at this point. AMD need to be aiming to match Volta which is rumored to come out in 2017. Not be playing catch up with a card that is already past half way of its life cycle.

Way I see it is, why would I buy a card for say £800 when I can wait 3-6 months for equivalent performance for half that price? I am always happy to wait

And i thought that you might say something like that which still does not change anything when it comes out how about it match the performance of the Titan XP for £50 less which means whatever the price of the Titan XP is at the time and if it nearer to Voltra in performance then it should be priced accordingly.

TNA · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:35

Final8y said:
And i thought that you might say something like that which still does not change anything when it comes out how about it match the performance of the Titan XP for £50 less which means whatever the price of the Titan XP is at the time.

Changes a LOT for me and anyone with some sense and a little patience.

Just think about what you are saying, if I or anyone was happy to pay a 4 figure sum for Titan XP performance, would we not have done it on release or way before Vega arrives? You seriously think £50 will sway many people to change their minds? lol

Is there something wrong with my logic above or?

AthlonXP1800 · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:37

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-vega-10-vega-20-and-vega-11-gpus-mentioned-by-cto.html

Vega 11

Vega11 - lets call it "Big Vega' which is to replace the FIJI / Fury (X) parts. So as suggested, where Vega10 would get 4096 stream processors and could compete with the GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 Vega11 on its end would feature 6144 stream processors (=rumor) and would be lined against the GP100/GP102 aka Big Pascal GPU (Titan X). This all is obviously known and discussed many times already.

Videocardz said AMD is planning to replace Polaris 10's RX 470 and 480 with Vega 11 next year so that would mean Vega 11 is a small chip while Vega 10 is a big chip. But accorded to Guru3D that Vega 11 will be a big chip with 6144 SP that will replace Fiji.

None of it made any sense, maybe Guru3D gave wrong information.

https://www.techpowerup.com/226012/amd-vega-10-vega-20-and-vega-11-gpus-detailed

The "Vega 11" part is a mid-range chip designed to replace "Polaris 10" from the product-stack, and offer slightly higher performance at vastly better performance/Watt. AMD is expecting to roll out the "Navi" architecture some time in 2019, and so AMD will hold out for the next two years with "Vega." There's even talk of a dual-GPU "Vega" product featuring a pair of Vega 10 ASICs.

Vega 11 is a slight improved performance over Polaris 10???

Oh dear!

Boomstick777 · 20 Sep 2016 at 21:57

Did I read that that as the consumer GPU having 12GB's of HBM 2.0?

This would be a real premium product if that's right. I would be happy with 8GB HBM 2.0 tbh.

Looking forward to Vega, give me a reason to switch back to the Red Team plz AMD.

Gregster · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:02

By the time Vega launches, NVidia will have Volta out and steaming ahead and Vega will be taking on the GTX 1080 and AMD comparing 2 Vega chips and saying "Look, we can beat Volta for only a fraction of the cost". Sadly AMD don't have the R&D to compete at the present and this is showing with the 480 being their only release this year in terms of "high end". A real shame and I would love to be wrong on this but I doubt I am.

Boomstick777 · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:06

^^

The RX480 is good value at it's price point. And is mid range. If AMD do similar thing for a high end card than it's all good.

LoadsaMoney · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:07

Gregster said:
By the time Vega launches, NVidia will have Volta out and steaming ahead and Vega will be taking on the GTX 1080 and AMD comparing 2 Vega chips and saying "Look, we can beat Volta for only a fraction of the cost". Sadly AMD don't have the R&D to compete at the present and this is showing with the 480 being their only release this year in terms of "high end". A real shame and I would love to be wrong on this but I doubt I am.

Yeah i don't understand waiting for Vega, as you can get that performance now from the 1070/80, why the hell would you wait another year for it lol.

Gregster · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:07

Boomstick777 said:
^^

The RX480 is good value at it's price point. And is mid range. If AMD do similar thing for a high end card than it's all good.

Good value indeed but for those who like top end, very meh.

Final8y · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:13

TNA said:
Changes a LOT for me and anyone with some sense and a little patience.

Just think about what you are saying, if I or anyone was happy to pay a 4 figure sum for Titan XP performance, would we not have done it on release or way before Vega arrives? You seriously think £50 will sway many people to change their minds? lol

Is there something wrong with my logic above or?

Why not just buy a Titan XP @£500-600 in 9 months time unless you dont expect it to drop to that in 9 months and if thats the case then Why should AMD sell there brand new product that matches the Titan XP for much less than the Titan XP at the time.

JediFragger · 20 Sep 2016 at 22:31

LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah i don't understand waiting for Vega, as you can get that performance now from the 1070/80, why the hell would you wait another year for it lol.

From the noises made then AMD seem to be a generation behind nVidia at present, which tbh is to be expected considering their R&D would be a fraction of their rivals.

I'm expecting Vega to be 'alright' and Navi to start pulling it back in (if there's any hope at all!!!). DX12/Vulkan games are going to help considerably in this regard though...