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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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If AMD can't beat the 1080 with Vega this year, then it's doom and gloom. If the 1080ti goes without compeition too, then it's also doom and gloom. If one year after Nvidia isn't enough to catch up... doom and gloom all round.

We need competition. Both so we can have another product to buy and also to try and keep these ridiculous prices under control.
 
mahius said:
If AMD can't beat the 1080 with Vega this year, then it's doom and gloom. If the 1080ti goes without compeition too, then it's also doom and gloom. If one year after Nvidia isn't enough to catch up... doom and gloom all round.

We need competition. Both so we can have another product to buy and also to try and keep these ridiculous prices under control.
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Well yeah or you could say "I won't pay this price, instead of spending 600 quid on something that I don't really need that's only x% faster than the card I have now that plays what I want just fine, I'll take my family on a weekend away"

The only reason the price is what it is is because it sells at that price - that is regardless of competition. Regardless of brand either AMD or nVidia.

Bottom line is that you say you need competition in order to "Have another product to buy". Do you really? Competition is great, consumerism deflates it.

I'll get off the soap box for now but my use case is a 290 non x on 1440 so yeah I'll be looking at Vega. I just won't be spending over $650AUD on it. I can live without it and have other priorities.
 
For most people buying high end it's not one or the other though, they can still take their family away, they don't have family or gaming is their only hobby and they can afford to pay the extra dollar for the extra % performance.
 
Ayahuasca said:
For most people buying high end it's not one or the other though, they can still take their family away, they don't have family or gaming is their only hobby and they can afford to pay the extra dollar for the extra % performance.
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I'm spending AUD$550K on a knock down rebuild, half cash. I can afford to spend but I have limits. My point is that silly spending habits drive base prices, yet the people responsible keep spending (and whingeing) so the base price matches what the market will stand.

Just sit a cycle out and buy the end of the line at the sale price, you will soon see the MSRP pull back. Nobody is going to do it for you. Whingeing on a forum means nothing.

I know I've wasted my time typing this but whatever. I have nil sympathy for people that cry about circumstances they bring upon themselves.
 
I'm not whinging about pricing though, you are?

Telling people on a forum to boycott isn't going to do anything to pricing either, most people ignore posts like that and many buyers don't even frequent forums...
 
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Im pretty sure i read somwhere that the HBC needed developer support, so if so, then you can forget about all those Nvidia games, which is just about every single one of em, be a pointless feature, like that audio thing they done.

Vulkan games are hardly streaming out though are they ?
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Games can and do have mix vendor tech, GTAV and Rise of the tomb raider come to mind that both have AMD and Nvida tech.

New features like this tend to require a fair amount of support from the Vendor for the developer to implement and implement well (I have some insight in this working in games middleware). AMD pre Radeon group reorganization was pretty poor at supporting developers. Post-Radeon group they seem to be better so I can see some developers using HBC if AMD put the resources into the Radeon group to allow this.

Lack of engineers and support to help implement the likes of Mantle or TureAudio is likely the reason the take up of such new features was slow/bad.
 
Also HBC is more a come on to developers by saying you don't need to worry about memory management as much BUT here is the thing until lots of players either have lots of HBC hardware or plenty of VRAM then they will have to scale it back because everyone else is running on 2GB - 4GB hardware. In other words consumers will see little to no benefit from this tech for years at the high-end its not going to make todays games run faster its more a future proofing feature.
 
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Also HBC is more a come on to developers by saying you don't need to worry about memory management as much BUT here is the thing until lots of players either have lots of HBC hardware or plenty of VRAM then they will have to scale it back because everyone else is running on 2GB - 4GB hardware. In other words consumers will see little to no benefit from this tech for years at the high-end its not going to make todays games run faster its more a future proofing feature.
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If the rumour of Xbox Scorpio using Ryzen/Vega is true then we would see many developers using HBC in their games. The console would require as much memory saving techniques as possible to work well at 4K or whatever.
 
fs123 said:
If the rumour of Xbox Scorpio using Ryzen/Vega is true then we would see many developers using HBC in their games. The console would require as much memory saving techniques as possible to work well at 4K or whatever.
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If it's true they might of well do a brand new console than a refresh as it would likely break combability on existing software too much.
 
Geck0 said:
Well yeah or you could say "I won't pay this price, instead of spending 600 quid on something that I don't really need that's only x% faster than the card I have now that plays what I want just fine, I'll take my family on a weekend away"

The only reason the price is what it is is because it sells at that price - that is regardless of competition. Regardless of brand either AMD or nVidia.

Bottom line is that you say you need competition in order to "Have another product to buy". Do you really? Competition is great, consumerism deflates it.

I'll get off the soap box for now but my use case is a 290 non x on 1440 so yeah I'll be looking at Vega. I just won't be spending over $650AUD on it. I can live without it and have other priorities.
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There is little to no point in arguing this point in here, however right i believe you are, as people don't like to hear that they themselves are the fault for something they don't like, in this case the massive price increase. So its easy to dismiss this and carrying on in the self imposed illusion that consumers don't affect the market with their spending habbits.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
If it's true they might of well do a brand new console than a refresh as it would likely break combability on existing software too much.
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Ah you never know with that lot. Look at the PS4 Pro, some games actually run worse on the darn thing than the regular PS4.

Everytime there's a hardware change, even a relatively small one the developers take quite some time to get things sorted gain.
The pains and pleasure of working so close to the metal with their APIs.
 
Phixsator said:
There is little to no point in arguing this point in here, however right i believe you are, as people don't like to hear that they themselves are the fault for something they don't like, in this case the massive price increase. So its easy to dismiss this and carrying on in the self imposed illusion that consumers don't affect the market with their spending habbits.
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I don't think anyone is denying it's had an effect, but at the end of the day we have 2 GPU designers to choose from in this hobby and 1 of them is currently providing us the best performance. So you either go without and wait god knows however long it would take for prices to fall or you suck it up and pay the extra.

I think it's rather simple minded to think people are just going to stop buying popular products in any sector to try and bring prices down, the economy would become more of a joke than it currently is and a lot of us would be without jobs!
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Ah you never know with that lot. Look at the PS4 Pro, some games actually run worse on the darn thing than the regular PS4.

Everytime there's a hardware change, even a relatively small one the developers take quite some time to get things sorted gain.
The pains and pleasure of working so close to the metal with their APIs.
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I only really know that being the case with FFIV on the pro removing features to allow it to play in a non-pro mode rather than the hardware it self. Details of which can be found here:


It's up to dev's how they want to screw up their Pro mode/only patches (FFXV) or do them well (Horizon, Resogun)

With the PS4 pro they just uped the cpu clock on the same cores, and doubled/clone the same GPU. In the OS it would be pretty easy to detect non pro patched games and it just down clocks the cpu (the boost mode to keep the cpu clock is useful though and shuts off half the GPU, bingo c is kept compatibility.

Going Zen + Vega sounds great on paper would require XB1 games to be patched to work/working/bug-free as normal XB1 games where programmed for very different architectures and technology, for example eSRAM has been removed and many XB1 used it to get as much performance out of the current console as possible.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I don't think anyone is denying it's had an effect, but at the end of the day we have 2 GPU designers to choose from in this hobby and 1 of them is currently providing us the best performance. So you either go without and wait god knows however long it would take for prices to fall or you suck it up and pay the extra.

I think it's rather simple minded to think people are just going to stop buying popular products in any sector to try and bring prices down, the economy would become more of a joke than it currently is and a lot of us would be without jobs!
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Thats a bit of a statement isn't it? What is the best performance?
 
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