AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[EXxx]

truth is we need some competition on the high end front. It doesn't matter that much what performance will Vega bring, if it brings a bit of price wars.

 

[NeoWave]

Vega will definitely be technically better, but faster?? The aftermarket Ti's are fast as all hell, I'm doubtful!

If they match Nvidia or get close enough to cause a price drop; I'll be happy.

 

[silversurfer]

Vega wont necessarily change the game either and will just be new, faster GPU's.

They are trying to change the game. Im not sure if it will be news on release or just for show but they seem to be doing more then just go faster but move further in a cleverer way. Companies have been saying for years about not processing unseen parts of a frame, excluding duplicated textures and so on seems to be about efficiency not just brute force.

If the price performance point is firmly with 580 or one of the nvidia cards that might be where to go. I dont see how it can be a sucess if slower then a crossfire of those cards. If this Vega is something unique then thats where it really becomes worth it possibly

 

[DONOHUE07]

The 1080ti is nothing 'new'. It's just more of the same just faster.

Isn't that all new GPU is in gaming terms? I couldn't care less about cuda cores and HBM, I just want the fastest GPU in my budget

 

[Panos]

Vega will definitely be technically better, but faster?? The aftermarket Ti's are fast as all hell, I'm doubtful!

All 1080ti are the same. Not a single one is different regardless the AIB claims.
All are voltage limited to 1.093v, all clock and perform the same depending the cooler and all are coming from a chopped chip (TXP), which is a chopped chip (quadro).

Vega core, is brand new design from ground up, not a GCN iteration someone wrote above.

And I wouldn't be surprised beating the 1080ti or the TXP. If you consider the 1080ti is double chopped, more than a year in the market. And actually is a respin+shrink of the Maxwel core from many years back.
NV hasn't provided anything innovative since then.

And NV will be caught with their pants down, like the Intel enthusiast lineup did. But it will be uglier this one, because AMD doesn't have to push 10 years lack of cpu optimizations with their gpus.

(eg the removal of the Intel restriction of 1 complex 64bit and 4 simple instructions per iteration existing since PentiumD, to unlimited complex 64bit instructions existing since Athlon64, which will improve the perf of the AMD cpus by 40-45% in single stroke)

 

[JediFragger]

And NV will be caught with their pants down, like the Intel enthusiast lineup did. But it will be uglier this one, because AMD doesn't have to push 10 years lack of cpu optimizations with their gpus.

I hope you're right man, I'm really looking forward to it! I want it to be awesome

Ti with the LG's ULMB mode will get me by for the time being

 

[EXxx]

All 1080ti are the same. Not a single one is different regardless the AIB claims.
All are voltage limited to 1.093v, all clock and perform the same depending the cooler and all are coming from a chopped chip (TXP), which is a chopped chip (quadro).

Vega core, is brand new design from ground up, not a GCN iteration someone wrote above.

And I wouldn't be surprised beating the 1080ti or the TXP. If you consider the 1080ti is double chopped, more than a year in the market. And actually is a respin+shrink of the Maxwel core from many years back.
NV hasn't provided anything innovative since then.

And NV will be caught with their pants down, like the Intel enthusiast lineup did. But it will be uglier this one, because AMD doesn't have to push 10 years lack of cpu optimizations with their gpus.

(eg the removal of the Intel restriction of 1 complex 64bit and 4 simple instructions per iteration existing since PentiumD, to unlimited complex 64bit instructions existing since Athlon64, which will improve the perf of the AMD cpus by 40-45% in single stroke)

are you 100% sure that Vega is not a "iteration" of the GCN core and it's a new, ground up design?
I'm with you with the 1080Ti being the same(even 1080 and 1070 were very much similar). I read somewhere that there is a voltage limiter on the 1080Ti because the life expectancy of the card would be severely cut if you'd run the card 24/7 at max voltage.
god damn this wait is itchy.

 

[opethdisciple]

All 1080ti are the same. Not a single one is different regardless the AIB claims.
All are voltage limited to 1.093v, all clock and perform the same depending the cooler and all are coming from a chopped chip (TXP), which is a chopped chip (quadro).

Vega core, is brand new design from ground up, not a GCN iteration someone wrote above.

And I wouldn't be surprised beating the 1080ti or the TXP. If you consider the 1080ti is double chopped, more than a year in the market. And actually is a respin+shrink of the Maxwel core from many years back.
NV hasn't provided anything innovative since then.

And NV will be caught with their pants down, like the Intel enthusiast lineup did. But it will be uglier this one, because AMD doesn't have to push 10 years lack of cpu optimizations with their gpus.

(eg the removal of the Intel restriction of 1 complex 64bit and 4 simple instructions per iteration existing since PentiumD, to unlimited complex 64bit instructions existing since Athlon64, which will improve the perf of the AMD cpus by 40-45% in single stroke)

 

[subbytna]

All 1080ti are the same. Not a single one is different regardless the AIB claims.
All are voltage limited to 1.093v, all clock and perform the same depending the cooler and all are coming from a chopped chip (TXP), which is a chopped chip (quadro).

Vega core, is brand new design from ground up, not a GCN iteration someone wrote above.

And I wouldn't be surprised beating the 1080ti or the TXP. If you consider the 1080ti is double chopped, more than a year in the market. And actually is a respin+shrink of the Maxwel core from many years back.
NV hasn't provided anything innovative since then.

And NV will be caught with their pants down, like the Intel enthusiast lineup did. But it will be uglier this one, because AMD doesn't have to push 10 years lack of cpu optimizations with their gpus.

(eg the removal of the Intel restriction of 1 complex 64bit and 4 simple instructions per iteration existing since PentiumD, to unlimited complex 64bit instructions existing since Athlon64, which will improve the perf of the AMD cpus by 40-45% in single stroke)

I hope that's really true, but I doubt it'll happen. Too many "must buy regardless of price" people on here to force Nvidia to get off their rear ends and progress technology properly. If people stopped buying the expensive stuff so quickly/early, to stroke their forum sig epeen, then we might see some proper progress rather then 5% performance gains every year. Why not hang fire a couple of months and force Nvidia to lower prices down, which would suit everyone?

 

[LoadsaMoney]

and another nail goes in, Nvidia just released the full Titan XP.

 

[DragonQ]

and another nail goes in, Nvidia just released the full Titan XP.

It doesn't matter if nVidia and Intel have the fastest chips out there when they sell them for over £1000. I really don't think AMD minds not having access to that extremely small customer base.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

and another nail goes in, Nvidia just released the full Titan XP.

lol AMD will love that as they could ignore the MUCH cheaper 1080/1080ti and compare Vega to the horrendously overpriced Titan They would only need to get vaguely near to look good.


Really the 1070/1080/1080ti are AMD's competition. Titans are for epeen.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

lol AMD will love that as they could ignore the MUCH cheaper 1080/1080ti and compare Vega to the horrendously overpriced Titan They would only need to get vaguely near to look good.


Really the 1070/1080/1080ti are AMD's competition. Titans are for epeen.

Yer Amd's last high end the fury X was more expensive than the 980ti remember so don't bet on Vega being cheaper regardless of is its slower or faster than the 1080/ti.

 

[SiDeards73]

Writings on the wall for Nvidia, Scorpio tear down speaks volumes, Nvidia need to get their DX12 act in order ASAP or are going to get beasted by new AMD hardware on newer console ports especially Scorpio exclusive titles.

Microsoft are using a Jaguar modified core which is a pair of 4 core CPUs, where have we seen similar to that recently ? Also a redesigned GPU with 40 new units in it... Hmmm

And they are going full DX12 on the Scorpio, this is the big one, it's sink or swim for DX12 and it looks like Microsoft are putting a lot of weight behind it.

It's no secret AMD hardware is better at DX12 currently, and i expect Vega to be even better..

Nvidia response? Release an even more ridiculous overpriced card to keep the "Fastest card" crown that they already own?? Says to me they are worried about Vega performance tbh. What other reason do they have to release the full Titan so close to the 1080ti?

Can't wait to see Vega now, I'm fairly certain it's going to be quite decent.

 

[JediFragger]

It's no secret AMD hardware is better at DX12 currently, and i expect Vega to be even better..

Yup, the 10-series still seems to have a foot in the DX11 era but who can blame them with so many even being released this year? Volta is where it'll be at for nVidia and DX12, and when that's released then they'll start to push it. Happens every time...

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yer Amd's last high end the fury X was more expensive than the 980ti remember so don't bet on Vega being cheaper regardless of is its slower or faster than the 1080/ti.

It wasn't, both launched at the exact same price of $649. The Fury X was only more expensive thanks to retailers price gouging due to limited supply.

 

[Rroff]

Writings on the wall for Nvidia, Scorpio tear down speaks volumes, Nvidia need to get their DX12 act in order ASAP or are going to get beasted by new AMD hardware on newer console ports especially Scorpio exclusive titles.

Microsoft are using a Jaguar modified core which is a pair of 4 core CPUs, where have we seen similar to that recently ? Also a redesigned GPU with 40 new units in it... Hmmm

And they are going full DX12 on the Scorpio, this is the big one, it's sink or swim for DX12 and it looks like Microsoft are putting a lot of weight behind it.

It's no secret AMD hardware is better at DX12 currently, and i expect Vega to be even better..

Nvidia response? Release an even more ridiculous overpriced card to keep the "Fastest card" crown that they already own?? Says to me they are worried about Vega performance tbh. What other reason do they have to release the full Titan so close to the 1080ti?

Can't wait to see Vega now, I'm fairly certain it's going to be quite decent.

Its going to be sink unless they significantly overhaul and change the direction a bit DX12 heads in - largely developers simply aren't interested in it look how many engines even when doing a significant rewrite just end up with essentially a DX11 engine running under DX12 rather than exploiting the advanced capabilities of DX12.

Currently the advantage AMD is seeing is that their architecture is more tolerant of lazy, sprawling, "fat" use of the hardware - you look beneath the surface of stuff like the Dawn engine and its busy with lots of worker threads, lazy use of lots of concurrency to save time optimising and not particularly ideal at all - rather than playing to the strengths of AMD's hardware it simply happens to be less destructive on hardware that has wide, normally under-utilised, capabilities.

Realistically we are still a long way from where what happens on console has any real implications for how optimally a PC version of the game runs - there are still too many things like memory management differences that means that the backend is significantly re-written anyway - though it does mean that when they are lazy about that AMD's architecture is again more tolerant of the laziness.

 

[SiDeards73]

Its going to be sink unless they significantly overhaul and change the direction a bit DX12 heads in - largely developers simply aren't interested in it look how many engines even when doing a significant rewrite just end up with essentially a DX11 engine running under DX12 rather than exploiting the advanced capabilities of DX12.

Currently the advantage AMD is seeing is that their architecture is more tolerant of lazy, sprawling, "fat" use of the hardware - you look beneath the surface of stuff like the Dawn engine and its busy with lots of worker threads, lazy use of lots of concurrency to save time optimising and not particularly ideal at all - rather than playing to the strengths of AMD's hardware it simply happens to be less destructive on hardware that has wide, normally under-utilised, capabilities.

Realistically we are still a long way from where what happens on console has any real implications for how optimally a PC version of the game runs - there are still too many things like memory management differences that means that the backend is significantly re-written anyway - though it does mean that when they are lazy about that AMD's architecture is again more tolerant of the laziness.

While i have to somewhat i agree, i definitely think this is Microsofts big push towards DX12, im fairly certain they will make sure that their flagship Scorpio games are optomised for DX12, they have to be to get 60fps 4K out of a 6tflop card. This means potential PC ports of those games will already be DX12 optomised, making the port across aimed pretty much at DX12 squarely.

PC exclusive developers probably wont rush out to embrace DX12, but if your a primary console developer and you want the $$ Microsoft gives you, your going to have to live in the DX12 world, and thats a fact. You think Microsoft invested all this effort in DX12 and put it into the flagship console to let it fail at the first hurdles? Ive worked for Microsoft when i lived in the USA, i know exactly how they work, they will flog this horse bigtime, they will push money at developers to adopt it, it actually makes sense why AMD has adopted DX12 so early now, they were playing the long game and its just about now about to pay off.

All those saying DX12 is going to die, and its a fad, and the uptake has been poor etc, be prepared for end of the year and next year for a massive DX12 push from Microsoft, they seriously want to get back into PC gaming and Scorpio is the handle that opens that door for them.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

lol, Scorpio will have no affect on Nvidia in the PC gaming market, so nothing for them to worry about at all, as thats owned by them, so when the games are ported across, they are done for them, just like they are now, xbone and PS4 have been out for bloody ages, both are AMD, yet when their games are ported across, they run much better on Nvidias cards, as just about all, barring the odd one every millenium, comes with that Nvidia logo.

If AMD were the ones sitting where Nvidia are now, i bet we'd have a helluva lot more games running much better on AMDs cards than theirs, and we'd have a helluva lot more Dx12 and Vulkan games out now, and proper ones, instead of those few Dx11s that have been Dx12 patched in laters, and DOOM.

 

[SiDeards73]

lol, Scorpio will have no affect on Nvidia in the PC gaming market, so nothing for them to worry about at all, as thats owned by them, so when the games are ported across, they are done for them, just like they are now, xbone and PS4 have been out for bloody ages, both are AMD, yet when their games are ported across, they run much better on Nvidias cards, as just about all, barring the odd one every millenium, comes with that Nvidia logo.

If AMD were the ones sitting where Nvidia are now, i bet we'd have a helluva lot more games running much better on AMDs cards than theirs, and we'd have a helluva lot more Dx12 and Vulkan games out now, and proper ones, instead of those few Dx11s that have been Dx12 patched in laters, and DOOM.

Have to disagree mate, i understand your point, Xbone still is not a fully DX12 console, Scorpio will be Microsofts full DX12 console, they cant afford for it to fail. You mark my words, they will throw a lot of weight behind it, they have to do that to sell the thing, its going to be expensive, so its going to require a ton of game backing to entice people to upgrade to it, the side benefit of this is AMD will get good gains in the games made for Scorpio, they already have a ton of DX12 cards out now, which is going to get larger with their Rebrandeon and Vega coming, Nvidias next Arch is quite a ways off still, and no news if its even coming with proper DX12 hardware support, AMD already have their groundwork laid out.

I cant understand how people can look at the past and just write them off as you are right, Xbone has done pretty much nothing for AMD's market share, DX12 bolt ons have been underwhelming at best, and AMD seem impotent in the high end GPU segment right now. So its easy to make the conclusion that AMD are doomed to more years of failure, but for me, this Scorpio announcement speaks volumes, Microsoft are pushing DX12 hard, very very hard, AMD are going to benefit from this massively. Watch this space.