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Yep me neither, hardly looks a showcase for it. 
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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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Wish they had partnered up with Bungie for Destiny 2, that would have gained them a ton of sales tbh 
Arkane are not going to hold off the release of their game just for a GPU release. AMD will have had to have paid them seriously big money to pull that off.
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Doesn't look good for Vega, using Prey, when its recommended specs are only a 970/290.
Vega is all about 4k 60fps. Good luck achieving that with you're 970.
Yep, 59 fps just isn't going to cut it.
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People still follow recommend specs? I ignored them along time ago
Recommend for what? 720p 30fps, 4k 200fps?
Recommend for what? 720p 30fps, 4k 200fps?
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Yep me neither, hardly looks a showcase for it.
With the way you feel about AMD atm the showcase could be life like and it still would not look good
720p low settings of course, to go inline with the current meta "KabyLake@5Ghz/3600Mhz Ram beats [email protected]/2400Mhz Ram at 720p, showing Intel strong and AMD sucks"
Hell see some reviews with the Ryzen 5 leaked tonight. They compare it with 6700K @ 4.5 & 4.9Ghz with 3600Mhz ram, while the poor Zen is stuck with 2400Mhz ram and stock speeds.
The question though, that given the price point, where are the i5s to compare it with? Huh, apparently all i5s are hiding somewhere, along side the completely MIA Haswel-E & Broadwel-E cpus...... Even the mighty 6950X is hiding somewhere, feeling shame for it's price.
Recommended specs on games are for 1080p, high settings, 60fps (or smooth game play in certain games where fps doesn't make much difference).
That's how games are designed and will be for a while as long as 99,99% market still plays on 1080p.
Of course these would be tested on a stable, fresh OS build.
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This is hardly ever talked about, I think I can count on a single hand the amount of times a dev has listed the recommended specs and what they mean.. Most of the time we just given a recommend spec with out knowing the FPS target or the Settings.
They very misleading half the time, even the min spec is a joke! I learned that the hard way good couple years back. Built a system for a family member forget the game but only had min spec listed and they wanted to keep the price down so we built for with the min spec the bloody thing was a slide show, it ran that was about it.
What should happen here is the dev put out a video benchmark or game play with both min and recommend spec and showcase the performance. That is how I would if Valve force Devs to post on the store page.
I doubt the 970 will keep over 40 fps on new titles at 4k with settings turned up. Why? Grunt and 3.5gb of fast enough memory.
How do you know though? Devs never state what the recommended hardware will do. Even minimum. To me minimum was to be able to run the game on lowest settings at playable framerate.
If they state recomended hardware for 1080p high settings 60fps then gived people more of an idea but they dont. Best off waiting for reviews.
Nothing concrete, just what a guy from Sapphire and few game devs said during live stream interviews some time ago - apparently 1080p high is how the developers see the game and design it, it's their vision of the game -hence recommended . It does make sense since this is still most popular setting.
Anything else (ultra, *insert whatever your game calls excessive AA and blur setting, 4k) is just eyecandy to give people a reason to spend more money on 500-1000 Gpus (he hasn't said this obviously, it's purely my opinion).
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If I move over from Nvidia I am doing it for one reason and one reason alone. Better DX12 and Vulkan support. I feel let down by Nvidia in these areas.
Yes I have not used a 1000 series card and am basing these assumptions on my 970 but I have observed that the 1000 series have also not been great DX12 cards and with Ryzen these assumptions seem to have rising to public opinion also.
So my question to the Red team is, in the games that DX12 is an option have you been able to use it, with little to no issues?
In all DX12 enabled games with my 970, performance has regressed. In Doom with Vulkan it wasn't as good as OpenGL.
Yes I have not used a 1000 series card and am basing these assumptions on my 970 but I have observed that the 1000 series have also not been great DX12 cards and with Ryzen these assumptions seem to have rising to public opinion also.
So my question to the Red team is, in the games that DX12 is an option have you been able to use it, with little to no issues?
In all DX12 enabled games with my 970, performance has regressed. In Doom with Vulkan it wasn't as good as OpenGL.
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Some game genres like TBS, sims & space sims (xcom, pCars, Elite, DCS, Star Citizen, MechWarrior, Arma & DayZ) played on a large screen 4K is a complete game changer it's not eye candy. Twitch shooter fps then yes ok you might be right there.
I'm actually really happy with my 2nd hand 980Ti its running 4K pretty damn well on my games, taken the pressure off Vega launch for me to the point that Vega needs to be a stellar performer before I'll buy into it I generally upgrade my GPU when there is at least double the performance on offer. My bar is now x2 980Ti overclocked @ 4k
Sounds like you've done a fair bit of reading & watching. I'm still on a R9290 non x but custom AIO with a Korean 1440P monitor and have been for years. I'm comfortable waiting a month or 2 more. I'm not pushing you either way but you have a very short time to keep your composure and get the best deal. No point in making a decision until you have initial benches and can make a half informed one IMO.
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With the way you feel about AMD atm the showcase could be life like and it still would not look good
True dat
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Min spec is always going to be painful. GTA5 will run on a 4870 but it also does 3 fps sometimes and you will get wrecked but sure it'll let you walk around on the lowest res possible and if you look at the sky its 30fps.
Awesome that they let the paupers play but not really a target to aim for, if I going to be doing a build changing motherboard especially its a big deal and recommended is the min spec. People go overboard with the future proofing too but also its a false economy to not aim high some.
Especially in modern game engines with mods bringing on extra load and high textures, super high res and it can be there is no card that runs it 100fps
The Prey release could be that, I'll guess it works with HBM2 well. IF AMD really think they can get away with smart cache, this has to be a demonstration of a game that is fast or faster with 4gb memory. Their words roughly if I recall right
That would then make it silly not to have main memory of 16gb or more then and fast ram also I guess
8k for when you gonna game via a projector onto the side of a building
Erm, jumping the gun a bit there are we not AMD? Let's get a proper 4K card out first before we start talking about 8K? lol
Love the sound of Freesync 2 though
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