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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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EXxx said:
are you 100% sure that Vega is not a "iteration" of the GCN core and it's a new, ground up design?
I'm with you with the 1080Ti being the same(even 1080 and 1070 were very much similar). I read somewhere that there is a voltage limiter on the 1080Ti because the life expectancy of the card would be severely cut if you'd run the card 24/7 at max voltage.
god damn this wait is itchy.
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Vega NCU is developed from ground up.
After 1:40 explains it.
Thats their AMD CES presentation.

If you go back few hundred pages (early January) in this thread you will find links and discussion.

Also can find some description here
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser/2

And an graphic from one of the presentations why NCU is different than the GCN generation.
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SiDeards73 said:
Have to disagree mate, i understand your point, Xbone still is not a fully DX12 console, Scorpio will be Microsofts full DX12 console, they cant afford for it to fail. You mark my words, they will throw a lot of weight behind it, they have to do that to sell the thing, its going to be expensive, so its going to require a ton of game backing to entice people to upgrade to it, the side benefit of this is AMD will get good gains in the games made for Scorpio, they already have a ton of DX12 cards out now, which is going to get larger with their Rebrandeon and Vega coming, Nvidias next Arch is quite a ways off still, and no news if its even coming with proper DX12 hardware support, AMD already have their groundwork laid out.

I cant understand how people can look at the past and just write them off as you are right, Xbone has done pretty much nothing for AMD's market share, DX12 bolt ons have been underwhelming at best, and AMD seem impotent in the high end GPU segment right now. So its easy to make the conclusion that AMD are doomed to more years of failure, but for me, this Scorpio announcement speaks volumes, Microsoft are pushing DX12 hard, very very hard, AMD are going to benefit from this massively. Watch this space.
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MS needs to push W10 also and kill the W7 zombie.
Scorpio is their way to hit multiple birds with one stone. Push hard Scorpio, DX12, W10, Store and give intensives for DX12 exclusive titles. Which we might see by the end of the year coming out.
They did it before when they were determined to kill OpenGL, giving money and intensives for devs developing on DX exclusively at the start of the century.
 
Panos said:
MS needs to push W10 also and kill the W7 zombie.
Scorpio is their way to hit multiple birds with one stone. Push hard Scorpio, DX12, W10, Store and give intensives for DX12 exclusive titles. Which we might see by the end of the year coming out.
They did it before when they were determined to kill OpenGL, giving money and intensives for devs developing on DX exclusively at the start of the century.
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Bingo this man gets it :) Microsoft will buy out whatever they need to, to push their machine forward. I worked at Microsoft with a guy who developed a widget (remember them?) Microsoft liked it so much they employed him, gave him a job on the off chance he might come up with something else they could use. There was atleast 7 other people i knew of personally in the center i worked in.

Microsoft said a year or more back they were serious about getting back into the PC market, Win10 and Xbox store is a route into this, pushing Scorpio into a full DX12 console is another part of this, they are putting a lot of eggs in the DX12 basket, so they are going to hit it hard. From the info we have right now about Scorpio you cannot but be extremely positive about the gains AMD are likely to get off the back of it.


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed

Read that article and see how much influence AMD has on this console.
 
We'll only get Dx12 on our PCs, when Nvidia give it to us, when they get a card out that can do Dx12 proper, and do it well, like AMD, then the games will come a flooding, until then, forget it.
 
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SiDeards73 said:
Bingo this man gets it :) Microsoft will buy out whatever they need to, to push their machine forward. I worked at Microsoft with a guy who developed a widget (remember them?) Microsoft liked it so much they employed him, gave him a job on the off chance he might come up with something else they could use. There was atleast 7 other people i knew of personally in the center i worked in.

Microsoft said a year or more back they were serious about getting back into the PC market, Win10 and Xbox store is a route into this, pushing Scorpio into a full DX12 console is another part of this, they are putting a lot of eggs in the DX12 basket, so they are going to hit it hard. From the info we have right now about Scorpio you cannot but be extremely positive about the gains AMD are likely to get off the back of it.


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed

Read that article and see how much influence AMD has on this console.
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yeah. Scorpio has a full blown x86 in there, not a Jaquar. Also those "customised compute units" look more than NCUs than GCNs.
Especially given the power need and the performance at the same time. Eurogamer states that there could be around 4.6 times faster than the Xbone, assuming that the GCNs are the same.

But I beg to differ, because the power consumption of those GCN then, could be 3-4 times than of the original Xbone. Something that I doubt MS would want to sell a faster console consuming 3-4 times more power. Think of the negative advertisement!
 
LoadsaMoney said:
We'll only get Dx12 on our PCs, when Nvidia give it to us, when they get a card out that can do Dx12 proper, and do it well, like AMD, then the games will come a flooding, until then, forget it.
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You write this, to justify the cancellation of the GTX1080Ti order and the money you put towards the new Titan XP? :p
 
Hmm Scorpio is going to have 12Gb of ram..... PC GPU's only have 8Gb currently. I know this isn't vram on the console side but remember when the xboxone and PS4 launched there was a lot of chatter about the memory configuration and porting games over to PC for console.

Is this going to mean that 8Gb of vram on the GPU is actually gong to be already behind the curve once the xbox Scorpio launches!
 
LoadsaMoney said:
lol, Scorpio will have no affect on Nvidia in the PC gaming market, so nothing for them to worry about at all, as thats owned by them, so when the games are ported across, they are done for them, just like they are now, xbone and PS4 have been out for bloody ages, both are AMD, yet when their games are ported across, they run much better on Nvidias cards, as just about all, barring the odd one every millenium, comes with that Nvidia logo.

If AMD were the ones sitting where Nvidia are now, i bet we'd have a helluva lot more games running much better on AMDs cards than theirs, and we'd have a helluva lot more Dx12 and Vulkan games out now, and proper ones, instead of those few Dx11s that have been Dx12 patched in laters, and DOOM.
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Games aren't ported so it makes little to no difference.

I think you're having a real hard time with objectivity lately as well. Most games aren't nVidia sponsored at all.
 
opethdisciple said:
Hmm Scorpio is going to have 12Gb of ram..... PC GPU's only have 8Gb currently. I know this isn't vram on the console side but remember when the xboxone and PS4 launched there was a lot of chatter about the memory configuration and porting games over to PC for console.

Is this going to mean that 8Gb of vram on the GPU is actually gong to be already behind the curve once the xbox Scorpio launches!
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While scorpio does have 12GB only 8GB is accessible to games, the remaining 4GB is reserved by the system. So an 8GB graphics card will still be fine :)
 
spoffle said:
Games aren't ported so it makes little to no difference.

I think you're having a real hard time with objectivity lately as well. Most games aren't nVidia sponsored at all.
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His comment was overblown but has an element of truth to it, nVidia pretty much control the majority of the market. Hopefully Vega is gonna be so good as to disrupt this fact, I'm certainly hoping so! :cool:
 
I almost started a stop watch to see how long it took before someone took offence to the ported comment - and a fairly short list of who it would be :s
 
Panos said:
yeah. Scorpio has a full blown x86 in there, not a Jaquar. Also those "customised compute units" look more than NCUs than GCNs.
Especially given the power need and the performance at the same time. Eurogamer states that there could be around 4.6 times faster than the Xbone, assuming that the GCNs are the same.

But I beg to differ, because the power consumption of those GCN then, could be 3-4 times than of the original Xbone. Something that I doubt MS would want to sell a faster console consuming 3-4 times more power. Think of the negative advertisement!
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Scorpio has a 245w PSU fitted inside the case, so take from that what you will...

I don't think it has Vega cores, it has updated Polaris cores i believe.

The GPU side of things has some upgrades as well, some extra features, supports HDMI 2.1 and Freesync.

Also Microsoft are controlling validation of games in Scorpio to ensure 4k 60fps are met, with Validation apparently taking 4-6 weeks and starting around July, so there's good chance we will see the console around the last quarter 2017.

All sounds interesting, i held off trading my Xbone in for XboneS and I'm glad i did, will move the xbone upstairs and get the Scorpio for my main 4K TV :)
 
Martini1991 said:
Scorpio can't have any exclusive games.
So I don't think it's ultimately going to make much difference.
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This is true for now, MS just want 4k optimised option available for Xbone games for the time being.

I don't think it will be long before Scorpio exclusive games happen though with a downgrade version for the xbone shortly after or in tandem etc.
 
SiDeards73 said:
This is true for now, MS just want 4k optimised option available for Xbone games for the time being.

I don't think it will be long before Scorpio exclusive games happen though with a downgrade version for the xbone shortly after or in tandem etc.
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It's not a new console generation.
Scorpio exclusive games will just be an absolute slap in the face for MS's consumer base. I'm happy for the PS4 Pro and Scorpio to provide higher frame rates and higher resolution of games, as long as all the games are released together. Anything close to an exclusive is when it's a problem.
 
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