AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

JediFragger · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:28

TNA said:
Yea. They need to have standards for freesync and freesync 2. If not met, then the monitor manufacturers have to put adaptive sync on there instead. Started to see more adaptive sync badges on monitors lately anyway. So maybe this process is under way.

But what's the point when AMD keep ****ing it up?

TNA · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:33

JediFragger said:
But what's the point when AMD keep ****ing it up?

How many times have they done so? I assume it is something that gets introduced in new drivers when it happens. No problem for me, I am not someone who necessarily updates driver every month. That usually causes more problems if anything. Only time I bother updating drivers is if something really nice has come out driver wise, or I am playing a new game which new drivers gives more performance. If going older driver fixes issue, it is not too bad. It is bad however if they take months and months to fix the problem introduced in the new driver.

What did you do with your LG? You seemed quite happy with it last I checked

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:35

JediFragger said:
But what's the point when AMD keep ****ing it up?

I know one or two people using FreeSync monitors and they seem happy enough - most of them are using more midrange cards and its been helpful in that regard. The GSync costs at the lower end are too much sadly. I mean even the limited range on the £100 ones is still useful if you only have a £150 to £200 card.

JediFragger · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:35

TNA said:
What did you do with your LG? You seemed quite happy with it last I checked

I love it, just packed it away to try a new config (PG279Q + 43" TV for media etc)

Working very well so far, the smoothness of the Swift is beyond awesome :cool:

TNA · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:37

JediFragger said:
I love it, just packed it away to try a new config (PG279Q + 43" TV for media etc)

Working very well so far, the smoothness of the Swift is beyond awesome

Nice. At least if Vega turns out to be good you can get it back out again if you choose to do so

Whatever happened to your Acer 4K G-Sync monitor?

Nexus18 · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:44

And this:

TNA said:
Extra selling point. It obviously helped Jedi buying the LG monitor. There are many professional who buy it mainly for work but like to game a bit on the side I would imagine.

Someone, iirc, aatu, posted some statistics for the amount of free vs gsync monitors a month or so ago and freesync was in hundreds of monitors where as gsync was only in a handful or 2, will look for the post later.

TNA said:
Sad to hear about AMD driver issues with freesync. Not having a freesycn monitor I had zero issues with last months drivers when I had my 290 or ever really with that card.

I hope they deal with all this before freesync 2 is released.

Probably will.

I have a feeling the 17.x.x/relive drivers have been so poor because they have the team working around the clock on vega driver optimisations and as a result the driver optimisation and/or QC for the current cards have taken a back seat in the mean time.

I haven't had any serious issues with AMD drivers since my 4850 but these 17./relive drivers on my 290 are a whole different story....

Of course not everyone will have issues but it does seem like more than your fair share of AMD users are having lots of issues with the 17./relive drivers lately:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/663wjv/radeon_software_crimson_relive_edition_1743_whql/

Bear in mind that sub-reddits like the above generally contains the extreme fanboys and only AMD users.

opethdisciple said:
Nice graph. Input lags in the 2-5ms region... are they noticeable?

Also leads me on to something I almost asked yesterday, are there any major performance differences between Freesync and Gsync?

LFC is something Freesync2 is going to include....

When are the Freesync 2 monitors gong to show up.... I'm getting impatient now. the Nvidia cards re there and Gsync monitors available. I'm trying my best to wait and see what Vega will bring as well as support AMD but this is a tough wait!

TFTcentral have somewhat done a good summarisation to give an idea on what is ideal for lag and what isn't:

All down to preference though, some happily game on TV that have 30+ms of input lag where as others can't play on anything with more than 5ms of input lag. For games like CS:GO, I definitely wouldn't want input lag higher than 10ms....

And no, when you compare like for like i.e. acer GS x34 vs acer x34 FS or benq 144HZ FS TN VS dell TN 144HZ GS, there is no difference between the 2 sync techs for "performance".

TNA · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:55

Nice chart. Makes sense why I am happy with around 20ms

Playing on a TV most will be using a controller so you don't really notice it much anyway, unless you are looking for it.

I find I can easily play a game 30fps on 1080p plasma using a controller. You can't really react fast enough (at least I cannot) on a controller to notice it. This is why consoles game developers choose 30fps and go for higher graphical fidelity.

Blackjack Davy · 24 Apr 2017 at 13:58

Nexus18 said:
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Heh so my XR34CK performs better than an X34? Nice.

tommybhoy · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:16

JediFragger said:
Gsync being a hardware solution it just....works.

Nv's put out drivers that's broke G-Sync too iirc, pretty sure it was disabled in FO4 for a wee while.

With G-/FreeSync I shared the same experience but I used the BenQ with a 'proper' comparable AS range but when you go for G-Sync you generally know the AS range, my take is it's marketed higher but you pay for it or go Freesync, pay less but do your homework.

DragonQ · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:25

TNA said:
How many times have they done so? I assume it is something that gets introduced in new drivers when it happens. No problem for me, I am not someone who necessarily updates driver every month. That usually causes more problems if anything. Only time I bother updating drivers is if something really nice has come out driver wise, or I am playing a new game which new drivers gives more performance. If going older driver fixes issue, it is not too bad. It is bad however if they take months and months to fix the problem introduced in the new driver.

What did you do with your LG? You seemed quite happy with it last I checked

The only time I've noticed FreeSync screwing up it's because my monitor gets treated as a new device for some reason (e.g. I've unplugged it or installed a major Windows 10 update). After that I sometimes have to reapply the CRU tweak to get the 57-144 Hz range and then it works fine.

Sargatanas2511 · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:27

Can't say I've ever had an issue with my Freesync monitor. It's a fantastic thing and I don't think I could move to a monitor without it or something similar now.

LoadsaMoney · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:35

AMD announces new Radeon Pro Duo with two Polaris 10 GPUs

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-announces-new-radeon-pro-duo-with-two-polaris-10-gpus

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-pro-duo-dual-polaris-10-graphics-card/

TNA · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:44

So it seems it is not just Freesync but happens or has happened to g-sync also. Will stick with trying to be patient for Freesync 2 monitors then

Scougar · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:58

LoadsaMoney said:
AMD announces new Radeon Pro Duo with two Polaris 10 GPUs

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-announces-new-radeon-pro-duo-with-two-polaris-10-gpus

Why do they insist on putting slow memory on these? 'ultra-fast memory' hmm....

32GB though.... interesting. So 16GB per GPU, Professional market it seems, especially at $999

0h_no_not_again · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:02

Scougar said:
Why do they insist on putting slow memory on these? 'ultra-fast memory' hmm....

32GB though.... interesting. So 16GB per GPU, Professional market it seems.

Whoa, where does this sit vs. the MI25/Vega? I guess more memory at lower bandwidth.

Also, does this mean that MI25/Vega is either a lot slower or faster than the new Pro Duo, otherwise it would essentially be the same market space. Or it means Vega is several months off :/

nashathedog · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:07

Blackjack Davy said:
Heh so my XR34CK performs better than an X34? Nice.

They gave me a smile, It seems the XR34CK has it all, low lag, LFC and a 30-75hz range. Actually the X34 is 100hz so it wins that but 75hz feels great so it isn't a concern for me,
That said when I do upgrade my monitor again I want big faster models too choose from.

Sargatanas2511 said:
Can't say I've ever had an issue with my Freesync monitor. It's a fantastic thing and I don't think I could move to a monitor without it or something similar now.

Exactly how I feel.

Phixsator · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:07

JediFragger said:
This is my main beef with Freesync, that it relies on AMD doing their jobs properly. With Gsync being a hardware solution it just....works.

Freesync is also "hardware" in a sense(talking about the scaler) but a standardized spec and therefor more approachable. AMDs problem is a resource one I feel. That said there is certainly some bonuses to having a closed eco system(gsync). It gives more control over 3rd party products using your tech and in return,hopefully, reduced issues. AMDs approach is i feel more morally correct and also more appealing to budget minded people but it suffers from the fact that they(AMD) have less control. Remember how people have blamed AMD for all the monitors with a small freesync range? well that blame should have fallen on the monitor manufacturer as it was entirely up to them but it just didnt.

nashathedog · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:18

Phixsator said:
Freesync is also "hardware" in a sense(talking about the scaler) but a standardized spec and therefor more approachable. AMDs problem is a resource one I feel. That said there is certainly some bonuses to having a closed eco system(gsync). It gives more control over 3rd party products using your tech and in return,hopefully, reduced issues. AMDs approach is i feel more morally correct and also more appealing to budget minded people but it suffers from the fact that they(AMD) have less control. Remember how people have blamed AMD for all the monitors with a small freesync range? well that blame should have fallen on the monitor manufacturer as it was entirely up to them but it just didnt.

Where were people blaming AMD?
Obviously the level of support each monitor has is down to the monitor company making it so anyone blaming AMD clearly hasn't got a clue what they're talking about.

EXxx · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:18

0h_no_not_again said:
Also, does this mean that MI25/Vega is either a lot slower or faster than the new Pro Duo, otherwise it would essentially be the same market space. Or it means Vega is several months off :/

That's almost a scary thought.
Although Vega probably still is couple months away (1 month till Computex + maybe 1 for wide availability)

TNA · 24 Apr 2017 at 15:22

EXxx said:
That's almost a scary thought.
Although Vega probably still is couple months away (1 month till Computex + maybe 1 for wide availability)

The MI25 is likely going to be costing a lot more so I don't think it has anything to do with that. Look at how much Nvidia were charging for their ones, was a hell of a lot more than 1k.