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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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Cooper said:
Well if this damn thing had launched when it was supposed to with a couple of cards having performance levels equalling the 1070 & 1080 but with a $50-$100 price reduction then it would have picked up lots of sales but the fact is, it's late, very late and such performance/price metrics today will be viewed as very underwhelming and will lead to a lot of people saying..'is that it?'.

We're probably only 6mths away from a (paper) launch of Volta and 8mths from being able to buy one, which will be another generational leap over anything AMD will have.

This delay on Vega is going to hurt AMD again, big time, luckily for them they at least have the new Ryzen's bringing in the cash to keep them going.
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AMD/Nvidia are not in sequential architectural lock-step where having one extra iteration has any meaning by itself. Technologically much or little can be done in architecture updates. What matters is the performance/price and features of the final product.
I wouldn't be too optimistic about the performance offerings of the first gaming Volta cards. Yes they will be slightly faster than GP102 but look at the last few rounds to see what approximate performance uplift that will be offered. What they will do is bring in that last generations top tier level of performance at a slighty lower price point (with room to drop a little more once a larger fp32 Volta die is released). The 5/6 gaming products that were filling out the product stack beneath the top tier of the last generation will be reduced to 3-4 models to slot in below. So in this future market (new cards) speaking of 1060 6GB/1070/1080 is kinda redundant.
 
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beany_bot said:
So basically you want AMD to come in cheap to lower the price of the Nvidia products you want to buy? But you don't want to actually buy AMD. other people can put their hands in their pocket to support them. You just want cheaper Nvidia cards.... Hmm.
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What exactly is wrong with that? I'm curious. That is precisely how pretty much everything works in a capitalistic society. Vendor A and vendor B provide the same service, but they both must offer incentive over the other. That you take issue with it is baffling. Everybody wants AMD to compete with Nvidia on price and performance, exactly so that they can buy the card they want, be it AMD or Nvidia, at a lower price.

I wanted AMD's 500 series to be better than they currently are, but they aren't, so I've had to pay £670 for my 1080Ti because Nvidia understands that they control supply to meet demand for powerful GPUs. If AMD actually had competitive cards, I would have paid much less. Can you understand now?
 
KNiVES said:
What exactly is wrong with that? I'm curious. That is precisely how pretty much everything works in a capitalistic society. Vendor A and vendor B provide the same service, but they both must offer incentive over the other. That you take issue with it is baffling. Everybody wants AMD to compete with Nvidia on price and performance, exactly so that they can buy the card they want, be it AMD or Nvidia, at a lower price.

I wanted AMD's 500 series to be better than they currently are, but they aren't, so I've had to pay £670 for my 1080Ti because Nvidia understands that they control supply to meet demand for powerful GPUs. If AMD actually had competitive cards, I would have paid much less. Can you understand now?
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Let me explain it to you then.

If everyone had that attitude. That they only want cheap AMD products to lower the price of the Nvidia products and nobody actually buys the AMD product.

AMD will go bust. Bad for everyone. Understand?
 
I understand that very well, thanks. It's also absurd to presume that everybody will just buy Nvidia, of course if AMD is competitive, people will buy their products too. I shouldn't have to point that out but it seems I do.

Jog on mate.
 
If AMD go bust it will be AMD's fault for not providing the products that are wanted. I'm certainly not going start buying AMD products just to ensure they continue to operate, I will buy the products that best suit, whether that is AMD or Nvidia.
 
KNiVES said:
I understand that very well, thanks. It's also absurd to presume that everybody will just buy Nvidia, of course if AMD is competitive, people will buy their products too. I shouldn't have to point that out but it seems I do.

Jog on mate.
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What's absurd is thinking I'm saying everyone will only buy Nvidia...

I making point to the mentality of "I want lower prices but someone else can support AMD. Im not putting my hand in my pocket. Someone else will pick up the bill for me."

Plenty Nvidia fanboys floating about this thread with absolutely no intention of buying AMD ever, looking to see when "their" Nvidia products will come down in price. Well guess what. They will only come down in price if AMD are sucssfull and people buy their products.
 
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Pretty much.

People go on about wanting competition for the good of the industry and consumers but if most of the nvidia customers still won't move to "possibly" a better and cheaper product then nothing will change with regards to nvidia's pricing, the only way nvidia will drop their prices are if they notice their sales/market share dropping, if AMD have the worlds best product, that won't matter at all if it doesn't sell well....

Personally I consider nvidia and "most" of their consumer base to be very much like apple and their consumer base i.e. they just don't want to move to anything else for various reasons:

- AMD has a stigma surrounding them about being a "peasant" brand
- AMD has poor drivers according to many nvidia users
- Nvidia is simply better to most nvidia customers

Among a few other reasons.

Nvidia's gsync module was gold in terms of a business decision as they have locked many nvidia fans into their ecosystem.

I think AMD have a good base this year to build upon though, their marketing has improved a lot, their drivers are solid (imo better in many ways than nvidia's now) and with how successful ryzen has been so far, this should help promote vega too (if it is good).

But being realistic, chances are AMD will match a 1080, possibly beat it slightly and price it £50-100 cheaper and most nvidia fans will go on about how it is a fail as they have had 1080 performance for 1 year now ;) :p The only way nvidia fans will be pleased is if AMD released a 1080ti killer for £400 :D
 
beany_bot said:
So basically you want AMD to come in cheap to lower the price of the Nvidia products you want to buy? But you don't want to actually buy AMD. other people can put their hands in their pocket to support them. You just want cheaper Nvidia cards.... Hmm.
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I'm saying I hope it comes in good and lowers the market price, nothing wrong with that. I'm not expecting it blows nvidia out the water so I'll most likely stick with the best performer.

There are plenty of people that can't afford that, those are the target audience for AMD in reality. Nothing wrong with that, it brings more people a better product - it's not about supporting them at all.
 
Bazzards said:
If AMD go bust it will be AMD's fault for not providing the products that are wanted. I'm certainly not going start buying AMD products just to ensure they continue to operate, I will buy the products that best suit, whether that is AMD or Nvidia.
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AMD's problem is that they just can't seem to make any (much?) money at all, no matter how good the products.
 
Bazzards said:
If AMD go bust it will be AMD's fault for not providing the products that are wanted. I'm certainly not going start buying AMD products just to ensure they continue to operate, I will buy the products that best suit, whether that is AMD or Nvidia.
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I don't think anyone expects people to go out of their way to buy AMD stuff just to support them (heck I sure as hell wouldn't buy something if it wasn't the best there was for the money for my usage). I think it is more if this happens:

- AMD release vega, it matches/beats a 1080 for less money
- Nvidia react by dropping the price of the 1080 to the same as vega
- People who have been waiting for vega to drop still choose a 1080 in the end

Even though vega will probably be better moving into the future (going by past cards), most nvidia fans will still choose to buy a 1080 just because "nvidia" or whatever when really, the only reason people should go for a 1080 in the above specific example is if they already have a gsync screen or/and badly want/need a specific feature that only nvidia provides.

Sadly, this isn't the first time it has been brought up, a few others in the past have said they will always choose nvidia no matter what....

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Of course, the above could be reversed and also applied to AMD fan base of which some have also openly admitted.
 
Those who believe that Nvidia going to drop prices, should forget that dream.....until they buy AMD cards also.

And is the same argument many had about intel. 2 months after the Ryzen 7 and the Broadwel-E prices haven't moved at all. The 6900K costing still 3 times more than the 1700!!!
So will the i9s and the quad cores. See the 7700K costs 20% more than the 1700 a far faster and superior chip
 
Ah, I remember I used to hear the Canadians whipping NVIDIA's backside again... Plus ATi Radeon had kick ass marketing back then.
 
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