AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[TNA]

What most people don't seem to realize that each new fabrication node is increasing R&D costs by at least a factor of 5 so you can't really compare costs based on die size alone. The 471mm GP102 die costs many time more to produce than the Maxwell GM200 die that was around 600mm^2.


Development costs are exploding

Maybe so, but nvidia are clearly making more profit then they have in the past, one look at their share price soaring the past few years tells you that, so not much of an excuse really.

I think Navi might be the time where I spend big on a GPU then sit back 2-3 years enjoying it. As progress may slow down a bit after that and we may not see big gains like we have done in the past.

 

[D.P.]

Maybe so, but nvidia are clearly making more profit then they have in the past, one look at their share price soaring the past few years tells you that, so not much of an excuse really.

I think Navi might be the time where I spend big on a GPU then sit back 2-3 years enjoying it. As progress may slow down a bit after that and we may not see big gains like we have done in the past.

Actually no, if you look at the inflation adjusted prices then things really haven't changed in nearly 20 years. Inflation and forex really takes its toll.


The share price nvidia is experiencing now is largely due to things like HPC, deep learning, autonomous cars, data center contracts, etc., etc. Just take the recent increases, the Volta announcement increased Share prices by over 30%, and that has nothing to do with gaming at this stage, purely down to HPC and deep learning. If you look at the financials is the datacenters/HPC that is expanding rapidly in revenue, experiencing 200-300% growth quarter on quarter.

 

[D.P.]

Yeah but the demand for product is too, so it's balancing fairly well.

Demand isn't increasing at the same rate as R&D and production costs are increasing

 

[nashathedog]

This.

Like I said earlier, there is probably only about 20 pages of this thread with actual worthwhile vega discussion/information

When vega does get released officially, a new thread will be needed anyway.

Someones being a bit generous in his estimations,

 

[nashathedog]

for cs go on both monitors i turned freesync off with no frame limits, i seem to get on better with this

Makes sense, I don't play it but hear people talking about how having a 200+ fps helps.

 

[mahius]

On the monitor front, I've never seen TVs go over 60Hz, so that's one reason to go monitor over TV. As for that image of Threadripper... my word that thing is huge. It has me wondering about cooler support, will it even manage to stay cool at all? Bigger chip, more heat.

Anyhow... only most of a week till next Tuesday! Finally, we should be getting some info on consumer Vega! Or else AMD will upset a lot of folks...

 

[nashathedog]

Maybe so, but nvidia are clearly making more profit then they have in the past, one look at their share price soaring the past few years tells you that, so not much of an excuse really.

I think Navi might be the time where I spend big on a GPU then sit back 2-3 years enjoying it. As progress may slow down a bit after that and we may not see big gains like we have done in the past.

I spent 440 on my Fury pro and that's the most I've ever spent on a gpu, The one advantage of AMD being so slow to release a high end product is how I've nearly had this for two years and it's still relevant and still sitting in the top three of AMD's stack so it's been worth every penny of what I paid. I'm gonna make sure to get the full chip this time and fingers crossed it'll take them another year or two to dethrone it.

 

[Lokken86]

I spent 440 on my Fury pro and that's the most I've ever spent on a gpu, The one advantage of AMD being so slow to release a high end product is how I've nearly had this for two years and it's still relevant and still sitting in the top three of AMD's stack so it's been worth every penny of what I paid. I'm gonna make sure to get the full chip this time and fingers crossed it'll take them another year or two to dethrone it.

And on occasion it sometimes even beats cards like the 1070 hehe.

 

[kylew_is_back]

I spent 440 on my Fury pro and that's the most I've ever spent on a gpu, The one advantage of AMD being so slow to release a high end product is how I've nearly had this for two years and it's still relevant and still sitting in the top three of AMD's stack so it's been worth every penny of what I paid. I'm gonna make sure to get the full chip this time and fingers crossed it'll take them another year or two to dethrone it.

Vega is going to be too little too late, so don't get too excited.
I bet the big vega is not going to be any faster than the GTX1080.

 

[Lokken86]

Vega is going to be too little too late, so don't get too excited.
I bet the big vega is not going to be any faster than the GTX1080.

Didn't they already tout it as competitive to nvidias 1080ti? Plus it doesn't really matter when everyone is buying 580s and 1060s type cards. Lower the 4k bar for people at a decent price and there will be bites. And by that I mean like 980ti standard for good money. That's where the money is.

 

[kylew_is_back]

Didn't they already tout it as competitive to nvidias 1080ti? Plus it doesn't really matter when everyone is buying 580s and 1060s type cards. Lower the 4k bar for people at a decent price and there will be bites. And by that I mean like 980ti standard for good money. That's where the money is.

I don't know why they say it is competitive to 1080ti, all the demos we have seen so far are on par with the GTX1080 or slightly lower

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I don't know why they say it is competitive to 1080ti, all the demos we have seen so far are on par with the GTX1080 or slightly lower

 

[kylew_is_back]

...

Say whatever you want, but the fact is that even Raja Koduri admitted that AMD has lost focus on the GPU department.

 

[TNA]

Actually no, if you look at the inflation adjusted prices then things really haven't changed in nearly 20 years. Inflation and forex really takes its toll.


The share price nvidia is experiencing now is largely due to things like HPC, deep learning, autonomous cars, data center contracts, etc., etc. Just take the recent increases, the Volta announcement increased Share prices by over 30%, and that has nothing to do with gaming at this stage, purely down to HPC and deep learning. If you look at the financials is the datacenters/HPC that is expanding rapidly in revenue, experiencing 200-300% growth quarter on quarter.

Okay and these HPC and deep learning chips, is the cost of fabrication and r&d not linked when they are designed with the gaming cards? Or are they totally different?

Like say the Volta that is coming out soon which will be sold for silly moneys, later will be scaled down and sold as an Titan or something and the further scaled down and will be a 2080Ti but all pretty much using the same r&d money no?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Say whatever you want, but the fact is that even Raja Koduri admitted that AMD has lost focus on the GPU department.

Everyone knows that, they started getting back on track once Raja and Lisa were brought in.
Hopefully with Navi AMD are back on track, as that's the first GPU Raja has ad input in since its inception.

 

[Lokken86]

I don't know why they say it is competitive to 1080ti, all the demos we have seen so far are on par with the GTX1080 or slightly lower

I cant see it being slower when the Fury x is 20/25% behind with just 8.5Tflops. This card is meant to be over 30% higher with 12.5Tflops. Yes i know its not accurate but it gives you an impression that Vega will be far superior to the FuryX.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

Say whatever you want, but the fact is that even Raja Koduri admitted that AMD has lost focus on the GPU department.

Had lost focus.

 

[Nexus18]

Honestly do people really think that big vega won't beat a 1080?

I will be extremely surprised if AMD can't beat the 1080, just look at how a 2 year old fury x is competing with a 1070 and it even beats a 1070 in a fair amount of games (not to mention the difference in dx 12/vulkan titles....)

So yeah, if AMD/vega can't match/beat a 1080, then there must be something seriously wrong....

 

[Lokken86]

^^ what he said.

 

[humbug]

Honestly do people really think that big vega won't beat a 1080?

I will be extremely surprised if AMD can't beat the 1080, just look at how a 2 year old fury x is competing with a 1070 and it even beats a 1070 in a fair amount of games (not to mention the difference in dx 12/vulkan titles....)

So yeah, if AMD/vega can't match/beat a 1080, then there must be something seriously wrong....

In the same way it beating the 1080TI is wishful thinking some pepole are also wishing it can't beat the 1080.