AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[tyler_jrb]

If it does come out in Q2 2017 and is in the enthusiast price point (~£500) it needs to be packing around Pascal titan performance. I fully expect it will as well, if the leaked specs are to be believed.

TXP perf at £500?

 

[Panos]

It could do.

But then it might not either.

Think of it this way, the RX480 is getting close to the 1060 now with the latest driver releases, so lets call them even. That is the RX 480's 5.8TFlops vs the 1060's 4.3TFlops.

So that is about a 34% TFlop advantage to the RX480 and yet it just about breaks even.

Two RX480 fall somewhat short of a 1080 let alone the TitanX

Vega's supposed 12TFlops is about 10% more than TitanX's 10.9Tflops.

So Vega would need to find that extra from somewhere, maybe all the optimising AMD has done, the reworking of the core might very well do wonders for its pipeline efficiency, who knows.

We will just have to wait and see.

Vega has newer more efficient and powerful GCN

 

[TNA]

TXP perf at £500?

See I never get posts like this. It is like people saying Titan X performance for £500 a year or so ago. Well look, you can have 1070 for £350 can you not? Guaranteed at the worst by 2018 we will have Titan XP performance card for under £500, but I think it will be 2017. Hell if it was not for the weak pound we could have had 1080 for £500 even.

The only thing that may make it hard to hit that price point is the weak pound, but if you go by dollar value of the cards then it will for sure. Just the way tech works and has done for years...

 

[Doogles]

TXP perf at £500?

Yeah AMD would never undercut themselves that hard! I'd say £800 for TX performance if it can get that close.

See I never get posts like this. It is like people saying Titan X performance for £500 a year or so ago. Well look, you can have 1070 for £350 can you not? Guaranteed at the worst by 2018 we will have Titan XP performance card for under £500, but I think it will be 2017. Hell if it was not for the weak pound we could have had 1080 for £500 even.

The only thing that may make it hard to hit that price point is the weak pound, but if you go by dollar value of the cards then it will for sure. Just the way tech works and has done for years...

I got my card way back in August for £410 when they were still rather rare as I waited for EVGA to bring out their models before splurging, they could be had for £350 then if you wanted the Palit model. If Nvidia don't have much to fight back with a there is TX performance from AMD don't expect it to be lower than £800 even if Nvidia price cut to stay closer as nothing will rival it.

 

[humbug]

It could do.

But then it might not either.

Think of it this way, the RX480 is getting close to the 1060 now with the latest driver releases, so lets call them even. That is the RX 480's 5.8TFlops vs the 1060's 4.3TFlops.

So that is about a 34% TFlop advantage to the RX480 and yet it just about breaks even.

Two RX480 fall somewhat short of a 1080 let alone the TitanX

Vega's supposed 12TFlops is about 10% more than TitanX's 10.9Tflops.

So Vega would need to find that extra from somewhere, maybe all the optimising AMD has done, the reworking of the core might very well do wonders for its pipeline efficiency, who knows.

We will just have to wait and see.

I do wish you would stop comparing apples to oranges.

Comparing Polaris to Vega is like comparing Fermi to Kepler.

 

[flopper]

I do wish you would stop comparing apples to oranges.

Comparing Polaris to Vega is like comparing Fermi to Kepler.

Need to stay informed thats the way.

 

[Smffy]

Haha, love this thread.

Don't get me wrong I would utterly love some competition but it's just not likely. Saying the card is suddenly going to blow everything out the water, if it does you know the geeen team are going to causally chuck out a better product.


I want them to succeed but honestly it's only ever going to be the lower end which isn't a bad thing. Nobody spending lots of money cares about efficiency...

 

[bru]

I do wish you would stop comparing apples to oranges.

Comparing Polaris to Vega is like comparing Fermi to Kepler.

Ok how is what I have said any different to just saying 'the leaked AMD GPU has 12TFlops so it could be faster than the TitanX'

Surely that is comparing apples to oranges as well.

I did say "maybe all the optimising AMD has done, the reworking of the core might very well do wonders for its pipeline efficiency, who knows.

We will just have to wait and see."

It is just differences of opinion, we all want to know just what Vega is capable of and unfortunately all we can do is wait and see.

 

[humbug]

Ok how is what I have said any different to just saying 'the leaked AMD GPU has 12TFlops so it could be faster than the TitanX'

Surely that is comparing apples to oranges as well.

I did say "maybe all the optimising AMD has done, the reworking of the core might very well do wonders for its pipeline efficiency, who knows.

We will just have to wait and see."

It is just differences of opinion, we all want to know just what Vega is capable of and unfortunately all we can do is wait and see.

I was refereeing to what i quoted.

Think of it this way, the RX480 is getting close to the 1060 now with the latest driver releases, so lets call them even. That is the RX 480's 5.8TFlops vs the 1060's 4.3TFlops.

So that is about a 34% TFlop advantage to the RX480 and yet it just about breaks even.

Two RX480 fall somewhat short of a 1080 let alone the TitanX

Vega's supposed 12TFlops is about 10% more than TitanX's 10.9Tflops.

 

[AllBodies]

TXP perf at £500?

Yeah, because a few years down the line when there's cards 5x faster than the Titan XP, we're going to be charged £5000+ for them....

[Hint: performance gets cheaper over time]

 

[bru]

I was refereeing to what i quoted.

Oh I see so you only comment when any comparison is made that shows AMD in a negative light...ok understood.

 

[humbug]

Oh I see so you only comment when any comparison is made that shows AMD in a negative light...ok understood.

In this case yes, Polaris is not Vega in the same way Kepler is not Maxwell so using Polaris as a yard stick for the new GPU's is flawed.

GTX Titan has 2560 shaders and 4.5TFlops
GTX 970 has 1664 shaders and 3.9TFlops

Which is faster.

 

[TNA]

Yeah, because a few years down the line when there's cards 5x faster than the Titan XP, we're going to be charged £5000+ for them....

[Hint: performance gets cheaper over time]

Exactly.

As harsh as Seanspeed's comment was the other day about this forum, I do think it was spot on. That said it is still one of my favourite forum's

 

[bru]

In this case yes, Polaris is not Vega in the same way Kepler is not Maxwell so using Polaris as a yard stick for the new GPU's is flawed.

GTX Titan has 2560 shaders and 4.5TFlops
GTX 970 has 1664 shaders and 3.9TFlops

Which is faster.

What was the first line of my post that you quoted, and what was I referring too?


We could do this all day, we all have different expectations of what Vega will bring to the table, So shall we just wait and see, which by the way is also what I have said many times before.

 

[queamin]

It is not a few years it is now and what ever you say titan xp is over a grand and you expect Amd to sell something that equals it at less than half price give me a break next you want Amd to sell you a card that matches a 1080 for 300 while nvidia sell theirs at 5/600.
They will sell them just under what ever Nvidia sell them at and if they don't sell then they might drop the prices.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD should give more performance/£ since they released later,but then again massively undercutting Nvidia will not make much difference since people will just use it as an excuse to pay less for Nvidia anyway.

But even look at the Fury X - if that had decent QC on the cooler(it didn't make excessive noise),and was priced starting at £400 to £450 instead of £500 to £550 it would have had a good niche to itself,so IMHO AMD does not need to massively undercut Nvidia.

For instance if Vega 10 is GTX1080 level performance,that means if they start at just under £500 that would be still undercutting the GTX1080 by a £100 or thereabouts.

Now,of the cut down Vega 10 SKU is GTX1070 level performance,if they price it at £300 to £350,that would still undercut the cheapest GTX1070 at just under £400.

Those looking for value for money will probably get the AMD card and those who prefer Nvidia will still buy Nvidia.

Also,inb4,but but my GTX1070 cost £350 and my GXT1080 cost £500,when the pound was stronger or during Black Friday or when Gibbo did a special break even promo,I am taking standard pricing not special offer pricing as you could say an RX480 8GB could be had for under £200 just recently on special offer too.

 

[Jono8]

It is not a few years it is now and what ever you say titan xp is over a grand and you expect Amd to sell something that equals it at less than half price give me a break next you want Amd to sell you a card that matches a 1080 for 300 while nvidia sell theirs at 5/600.
They will sell them just under what ever Nvidia sell them at and if they don't sell then they might drop the prices.

You are forgetting that this is a card that will most likely release in Q2 next year sometime. It has to be faster and cheaper (or significantly one of those two metrics) than the 1080 or what is the point?

"look, here is a card that is the same performance and same price as a card you have been able to buy for a whole year" . That would be terrible for AMD.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You are forgetting that this is a card that will most likely release in Q2 next year sometime. It has to be faster and cheaper (or significantly one of those two metrics) than the 1080 or what is the point?

"look, here is a card that is the same performance and same price as a card you have been able to buy for a whole year" . That would be terrible for AMD.

It just needs to be cheaper,as most people don't care what has been on the market,since they look at what is available NOW.

Its like when I bought my GTX960,the R9 380 seemed to have the edge,but when I saw a refurbished GTX960 for £50 less than a R9 380,I ended up buying that instead.

You could make the argument that GTX960/R9 380 level performance had been had for quite a while in the R9 280 and GTX760 and those had been out for yonks by the time I bought my card.

Edit!!

Look at Fermi - was the GTX470 massively faster and massively cheaper than the HD5870 which had been out for six months?? Nope??

Nvidia still probably sold bucketloads of them.

People still bought the GTX480 in decent numbers even though it was not massively faster than the HD5870,was six months late and cost massively more.

Ultimately,if AMD offering a reasonable improvement in price/performance is not enough to get sales,then they will never sway those who want to get a Nvidia card and it is better for them to sell less cards at a better margin than crater margins for people who will still pay more for a Nvidia card with similar performance.

I would rather they worked on getting up to speed on feature set with Nvidia or even exceeding them in features and to get more sponsorships in games.

Nvidia used that during Fermi to make up for the fact they were SIX TO NINE MONTHS LATE. Nvidia used it during the FX days when they sold more cards which were crap in almost all metrics AND THEY LAUNCHED LATER.

Yet,ATI sold MORE of the X800 series over the superior Nvidia 6000 series. The X800 series were fast cards,but they lacked DX9C support and launched later. ATI also had production problems with the top end SKUs which Nvidia did not have.

 

[nashathedog]

They will sell them just under what ever Nvidia sell them at and if they don't sell then they might drop the prices.

This is basically it, If they can match or come close they may undercut them, That's at best.

Think about it, The Fury came out the gate slower than a 980ti but AMD expected the same sort of money.

If big Vega has 16gb's of HBM & matches a Pascal Titan X we'll be lucky if it's under a grand. If by the time it's due out Nvidia releases a 1080ti with a 700-800 price tag it will be priced against that instead.
Either way we may see a 50 to 100 pounds at best undercut.

I hope they don't follow the Fury system and do a full fat water cooled and a cut down air cooled, And if they do please for the love of God get quality control right so I can buy one without issues.


There was no good reason for us not getting full chip cards on air.

 

[Jono8]

It just needs to be cheaper,as most people don't care what has been on the market,since they look at what is available NOW.

Which is why I said "or significantly one of those metrics". Vega 10 at 1080 performance for only slightly less (like £500) would be crap. As the poster above me has said as well, they need to learn from their mistakes with the Fury cards.

and we are not talking about 6 months. The 1080 has been out for over 6 months already and everything points to Vega not being released till at least early Q2.