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AMD Vs. Nvidia Image Quality - Old man yells at cloud

4K8KW10 said:
I just know that the images on the left look better and more eye candy.
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thats fine, but im 99% sure this is not down to the card itself, i have no proof but the best way to check would be test as many different engines as possible and compare results across all, i think some you will see a quality difference across hardware, maybe even hardware from the same vendor and some you will not. however this is different to the colors discussed previously. i think people have lumped these two things together when they are actually two separate things.
 
henson0115 said:
and thats the point, you might not notice a difference however others may, regardless of how big or small, anyway i was simply trying to offer an explanation as to why people might say there is a difference. :)

edit: see above, forgot to multi quote by which time it was to late.
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So why wasn't it an issue until some Youtube video wanting likes and views? I'm not saying there are or are not differences but it's going to be minuscule. These companies aren't going to put out hardware with huge variances.

Then there are some who are so convinced what they want to see. All, I've seen so far is some with a little more dense foliage versus another and if it's anything to go by what has currently been going on in the Guru3D forums... Is seeing and finding out the vast amounts of peoples monitors that is badly setup that they've never known. Until now.

These are the very same discussions I've seen years ago when the IMDb forums used to exist. Films getting slated reviews because their TV's were crushing shadow detail. I'm still seeing these same discussions with Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Then finding other peoples videos with jacked up brightness both PC and console because they've been setup wrong.

I remember reading some professional calibrators on AVSForum years ago measuring a PS4 and PS3 as well as Xbox 360 or One with reference TVs and there was very little error between them. Yes some variances but nothing to the differences like some claim between AMD pops compared to NVIDIA. Obviously some are going to render a bit more graphics on screen or a little less dependant on how well they perform according to the developers.

So many difference sceneraios to all this it shows how complicated it actually is. We also don't know who is colourblind and partially. https://www.xrite.com/hue-test
We also don't know what computer screens and TVs has been giving out errors and displaying them wrong plus the age of the electronics. As the scenarios can become complicated.
 
V F said:
So why wasn't it an issue until some Youtube video wanting likes and views? I'm not saying there are or are not differences but it's going to be minuscule. These companies aren't going to put out hardware with huge variances.

Then there are some who are so convinced what they want to see. All, I've seen so far is some with a little more dense foliage versus another and if it's anything to go by what has currently been going on in the Guru3D forums... Is seeing and finding out the vast amounts of peoples monitors that is badly setup that they've never known. Until now.

These are the very same discussions I've seen years ago when the IMDb forums used to exist. Films getting slated reviews because their TV's were crushing shadow detail. I'm still seeing these same discussions with Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Then finding other peoples videos with jacked up brightness both PC and console because they've been setup wrong.

I remember reading some professional calibrators on AVSForum years ago measuring a PS4 and PS3 as well as Xbox 360 or One with reference TVs and there was very little error between them. Yes some variances but nothing to the differences like some claim between AMD pops compared to NVIDIA. Obviously some are going to render a bit more graphics on screen or a little less dependant on how well they perform according to the developers.

So many difference sceneraios to all this it shows how complicated it actually is. We also don't know who is colourblind and partially. https://www.xrite.com/hue-test
We also don't know what computer screens and TVs has been giving out errors and displaying them wrong plus the age of the electronics. As the scenarios can become complicated.
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Good post!
 
V F said:
So why wasn't it an issue until some Youtube video wanting likes and views? I'm not saying there are or are not differences but it's going to be minuscule. These companies aren't going to put out hardware with huge variances.

Then there are some who are so convinced what they want to see. All, I've seen so far is some with a little more dense foliage versus another and if it's anything to go by what has currently been going on in the Guru3D forums... Is seeing and finding out the vast amounts of peoples monitors that is badly setup that they've never known. Until now.

These are the very same discussions I've seen years ago when the IMDb forums used to exist. Films getting slated reviews because their TV's were crushing shadow detail. I'm still seeing these same discussions with Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Then finding other peoples videos with jacked up brightness both PC and console because they've been setup wrong.

I remember reading some professional calibrators on AVSForum years ago measuring a PS4 and PS3 as well as Xbox 360 or One with reference TVs and there was very little error between them. Yes some variances but nothing to the differences like some claim between AMD pops compared to NVIDIA. Obviously some are going to render a bit more graphics on screen or a little less dependant on how well they perform according to the developers.

So many difference sceneraios to all this it shows how complicated it actually is. We also don't know who is colourblind and partially. https://www.xrite.com/hue-test
We also don't know what computer screens and TVs has been giving out errors and displaying them wrong plus the age of the electronics. As the scenarios can become complicated.
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Google the issue, you will see it is more widespread than here and 1 video on youtube, there are forums talking about it going back 10+ years.
also people like to jump on the bandwagon.

a badly setup monitor doesnt explain why people claim to see a difference between two cards on the same machine, please see my previous posts explaining why i believe people see a difference.

in regards to the IMDB comments, its not the same. its very different. people arnt just setting them up wrong here, nvidia and amd handle hdmi signals differently again this is documented, nvidia fixed it later by offering a dropdown to change from limited to full range. before this drop down existed you have to resort to changing the registry etc to allow full range when using a hdmi cable on an nvidia card, thats a little bit differnt to someone putting the wrong briteness setting into a tv for example, which are designed to allow the user to set to there own taste by default.
edit:both nvidia and amd used to treat monitors as hd tvs in terms of signal, this has improved however still not perfect for example and we know that a hd tv is in no way as color accurate atleast on the whole as a monitor.

in regards to the calibrator comment, again please refer to my statement previously that the image quality and colour issues are two seeprate issues which have somehow been merged together.

you don't need to be colorblind to see a color differently to someone else red is not the same red across all people. :)
i do agree that this is more complicated than most people believe it to be.
 
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V F said:
So many difference sceneraios to all this it shows how complicated it actually is. We also don't know who is colourblind and partially. https://www.xrite.com/hue-test
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I'd forgot about that one - I've had a bit of an argument over the years over grey and blue grey with someone who is adamant they are right because they work with colours and pigments and they can't do the blues on there while I got 0 first time no problem :D
 
@henson0115 Thing is, look at that entry drop down. It's under video content. When you change it, it only affects video playback. It doesn't affect the desktop/3D space. You can see the changes taking place while playing a video.

As for setting their own preferred settings, understood but there is a reason why they adhere to industry standard levels. Otherwise you see the wrong or don't see the right details.
 
V F said:
@henson0115 Thing is, look at that entry drop down. It's under video content. When you change it, it only affects video playback. It doesn't affect the desktop/3D space. You can see the changes taking place while playing a video.

As for setting their own preferred settings, understood but there is a reason why they adhere to industry standard levels. Otherwise you see the wrong or don't see the right details.
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There is also dynamic range in the resolution tab in the nvidia console. This affects the screen output at all time, unlike the video drop down.
 
Rroff said:
I'd forgot about that one - I've had a bit of an argument over the years over grey and blue grey with someone who is adamant they are right because they work with colours and pigments and they can't do the blues on there while I got 0 first time no problem :D
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he clearly wasnt an eye expert :D
 
V F said:
@henson0115 Thing is, look at that entry drop down. It's under video content. When you change it, it only affects video playback. It doesn't affect the desktop/3D space. You can see the changes taking place while playing a video.

As for setting their own preferred settings, understood but there is a reason why they adhere to industry standard levels. Otherwise you see the wrong or don't see the right details.
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bare with me il find you a link to prove the limited change affects everything, just need to dig it out.
Edit here https://pcmonitors.info/articles/correcting-hdmi-colour-on-nvidia-and-amd-gpus/
 
henson0115 said:
bare with me il find you a link to prove the limited change affects everything, just need to dig it out.
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I'm going to assume it's an auto detect thing with TVs? As I don't have entry 3 on my control panel with my monitor.

Does the Sony TV fully support 0 - 255 and can display 4:4:4 Chroma Subsampling?
 
V F said:
I'm going to assume it's an auto detect thing with TVs? As I don't have entry 3 on my control panel with my monitor.

Does the Sony TV fully support 0 - 255 and can display 4:4:4 Chroma Subsampling?
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what driver? also what cable, its only an issue with hdmi cables afaik and some monitors with dp
edit: im assuming hdmi as you mentioned sony tv list the model and we can check it
 
That's what I thought. It's auto detect but what it's doing is correct as TVs default to Limited 16 - 235 4:2:2. Or in most cases 4:2:0.

The question is does the persons TV truly support 0 - 255 4:4:4 as some do double the processing back to 16 - 235 and has some issues fully displaying 4:4:4 Chroma because weird subtle artifacts can occur in the proccessing in a Chroma image. As I don't know the Sony model.
 
V F said:
That's what I thought. It's auto detect but what it's doing is correct as TVs default to Limited 16 - 235 4:2:2. Or in most cases 4:2:0.

The question is does the persons TV truly support 0 - 255 4:4:4 as some do double the processing back to 16 - 235 and has some issues fully displaying 4:4:4 Chroma because weird subtle artifacts can occur in the processing in a Chroma image. As I don't know the Sony model.
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its a good point,but is it true of monitors still and also where a person swaps card between the same monitor and claims to see a difference.
 
Noticed a difference a long time back, stuck with amd since then, maybe it changed untill now but I still support AMD.
Also I dont know how many ppl know that amd drivers do not default to 4;4;4 full rgb after installation.
 
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