Please feel free to post up some links to articles showing that NVidia don't render ultra high. as you put it
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AMD Vs. Nvidia Image Quality - Old man yells at cloud
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Please feel free to post up some links to articles showing that NVidia don't render ultra high. as you put it
Why, what's wrong with Panos? Like Gregster he swings both ways. He had a 1080Ti not so long ago did he not?
Why, what's wrong with Panos? Like Gregster he swings both ways. He had a 1080Ti not so long ago did he not?
I have nothing against him personally but he frequently repeats any and every nVidia smear even long after they've been debunked, and I'm pretty sure in many cases he knows that, with potential to influence people's buying decisions against their best interests.
Fair enough, I can see what you mean. Though I do see that behaviour here a lot with people usually exclusively recommend whichever companies GPU they have rather than first making sure to understand the needs of the person before giving a honest recommendation.
Would you say I have balanced posts?
Do elaborate@TNA +balanced=pmsl
Fair enough, I can see what you mean. Though I do see that behaviour here a lot with people usually exclusively recommend whichever companies GPU they have rather than first making sure to understand the needs of the person before giving a honest recommendation.
Would you say I have balanced posts?
I have Radeons and recommend them because they are the superior choice. For everyone.
How could you divide people according to their needs - some that need rubbish image quality to take nvidia, and the ones who want more for their money and best-in-class image quality to take AMD?! Right?
Do elaborate
It just made me laugh tbh, but see you as one of the good guys in here- like your humour too so that's a bonus, basically just wanting the best you can get without licking Nv/AMD's backside in the process and not afraid about ever calling both of them out if/when needed-not enough of us in here.
You not buying an RTX card then?
Ermmm, what actually are you trying to show? All I see is low frames or high frames. And what was you using?Will post my own experience first: Game is CS:Source:
i had this very same issue
also when i changed form a 780ti to a 970 massive difference
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Will post my own experience first: Game is CS:Source:
1st comparison top image seem to have more depth/layers the leaves look more separated whereas the bottom image the leaves looks like they are smudged together difficult to make out the layers for the leaves and trees - more difficult to make out what's at the front what's at the back.
2nd comparison the bottom image generally look worse: more blur, and less sense of depth (particularly noticeable with the stones on the left wall and the patio on the ground)- generally there's more 3D depth in the top image comparing to the bottom image.
Both comparisons the bottom image looks more dull, flat, and not as realistic...or may be not as believable would be a better way to say it.
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Fair enough, I can see what you mean. Though I do see that behaviour here a lot with people usually exclusively recommend whichever companies GPU they have rather than first making sure to understand the needs of the person before giving a honest recommendation.
Would you say I have balanced posts?
It isn't so much about balanced or not and everyone has their opinion. Posting smears that the poster otherwise demonstrates a high enough technical knowledge that they must know are incorrect is another matter.
Yup, not as rich or vibrant. Quite a difference between the two.
I didn't read through the thread much but I'll say this, my GPU history:
1. GT 8800
2. GTX 580
3. 7970 (mining)
4. 7990 (more mining)
5. 290X (more mining)
6. 980 Ti
7. Vega 56
I have tested throughout these periods back and fourth many times, because I take ages to sell my old hardware and often run 2-3 rigs at a time side-by-side. I can say for sure that AMD has the following:
1. Better colour, at least by default.
2. Better detail accuracy (models, shadows) in many games.
3. Better frametimes/minimums, generally making games (especially higher framerates titles) feel much smoother.
An easy example is that in CS:GO, playing at 4K (one of the only games where you can hit 300+ FPS at 4K), the 980 Ti is noticeably stuttery, and colours are washed out. I switch to the Vega 56, and it is almost unbelievable, I can play it at 4K and it feels more smooth than running the 980 Ti at 540p@480hz (I have an X28 that can pull this off), while the darker areas create more "pop" allowing models to stand out where I would otherwise miss them on the 980 Ti. The same colour/"popping" exists across many titles.
I am in IT by trade and a programmer by hobby, so I can take guesses at where/why these things are happening, my guess is that Nvidia puts more effort into per-title optimization, which ultimately leads to detail quality/fidelity decreasing, because they are trying to strike a balance. You might set some Ultra setting for your shadows in XYZ title, but if Nvidia has reviewed the differences internally for XYZ title and decided that Ultra shadows provide very little benefit over High, while having substantial performance setbacks, then they will force High shadows and "lie" to you. It's understandable, to be clear I'm not trying to make it sound like a negative.
Then, for colours, I believe that Nvidia has issues with the cards defaulting to 6 bit or 8 bit, when 8 bit or 10 bit is available on the monitor side, I also believe that they do some heavy colour compression to save on performance/memory utilization, these two things combined with a more washed out default colour profile can explain the problem.
Finally, for the "smoothness" issue, I honestly believe that AMD has better drivers. Maybe it's their hardware pipeline, maybe it's some Windows issue, but I am absolutely sure it is there and the most simple explanation to me would be that the driver is more responsive or consistent and applications are prone to less clock-clock hitching/instability running on AMD.
I have ran pure Intel on the CPU side all these years, despite supporting AMD, and I have a predominantly Nvidia GPU history, especially if you exclude the time I spent mining on the 5000 and 7000 series. I was until months ago an investor in AMD too, since 2016. I'm not biased though, it really is as simple as noticing these differences when swapping out hardware, some people will notice, others won't, and for some maybe you truly don't see these benefits.
1. GT 8800
2. GTX 580
3. 7970 (mining)
4. 7990 (more mining)
5. 290X (more mining)
6. 980 Ti
7. Vega 56
I have tested throughout these periods back and fourth many times, because I take ages to sell my old hardware and often run 2-3 rigs at a time side-by-side. I can say for sure that AMD has the following:
1. Better colour, at least by default.
2. Better detail accuracy (models, shadows) in many games.
3. Better frametimes/minimums, generally making games (especially higher framerates titles) feel much smoother.
An easy example is that in CS:GO, playing at 4K (one of the only games where you can hit 300+ FPS at 4K), the 980 Ti is noticeably stuttery, and colours are washed out. I switch to the Vega 56, and it is almost unbelievable, I can play it at 4K and it feels more smooth than running the 980 Ti at 540p@480hz (I have an X28 that can pull this off), while the darker areas create more "pop" allowing models to stand out where I would otherwise miss them on the 980 Ti. The same colour/"popping" exists across many titles.
I am in IT by trade and a programmer by hobby, so I can take guesses at where/why these things are happening, my guess is that Nvidia puts more effort into per-title optimization, which ultimately leads to detail quality/fidelity decreasing, because they are trying to strike a balance. You might set some Ultra setting for your shadows in XYZ title, but if Nvidia has reviewed the differences internally for XYZ title and decided that Ultra shadows provide very little benefit over High, while having substantial performance setbacks, then they will force High shadows and "lie" to you. It's understandable, to be clear I'm not trying to make it sound like a negative.
Then, for colours, I believe that Nvidia has issues with the cards defaulting to 6 bit or 8 bit, when 8 bit or 10 bit is available on the monitor side, I also believe that they do some heavy colour compression to save on performance/memory utilization, these two things combined with a more washed out default colour profile can explain the problem.
Finally, for the "smoothness" issue, I honestly believe that AMD has better drivers. Maybe it's their hardware pipeline, maybe it's some Windows issue, but I am absolutely sure it is there and the most simple explanation to me would be that the driver is more responsive or consistent and applications are prone to less clock-clock hitching/instability running on AMD.
I have ran pure Intel on the CPU side all these years, despite supporting AMD, and I have a predominantly Nvidia GPU history, especially if you exclude the time I spent mining on the 5000 and 7000 series. I was until months ago an investor in AMD too, since 2016. I'm not biased though, it really is as simple as noticing these differences when swapping out hardware, some people will notice, others won't, and for some maybe you truly don't see these benefits.
I can definitely see where you're coming from having had AMD cards and now a 1070. The 1070 is cool and quiet but I do think the colours are washed out. Makes sense as I think Nvidia prioritise frame rates, there are probably sacrifices made with IQ to keep them high. Really depends what you need. I'll revert to AMD next time if they get some decent 7nm cards out.