AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Eatchipz]

Called Amazon, and amazon person said that AMD have no 3900x for UK until end of August. Call them and they will tell you same thing.

When it comes to Computer Parts I would be confident that OCUK would get stock before anyone else.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

When it comes to Computer Parts I would be confident that OCUK would get stock before anyone else.

As you will notice OCUK have removed the expected date, there are no 3900x until end of august.

 

[HRL]

*puts on best David Attenborough voice*
In the battle between FOMO and common sense, the FOMO regularly gets injured fighting for the first cut of meat, and common sense lives to eat every day.

I’ve been fighting the urge to scratch the upgrade itch since 2pm last Sunday but having seen that a few people genuinely have had loads of issues I think I’ve made the right call for now.

If it turns out that the 3800X is the cream of the crop, or the 3950X won’t destroy my existing mobo, I might yet upgrade once Gigabyte release a decent BIOS for my X470.

But for now, no chance.

 

[Troop]

I’m using the Ryzen high performance plan.

^^^Cheers for the info.

 

[willhub]

Was it on here or not something about Infinity Fabric sometimes slowing down for no reason, I haven't noticed it but manually set fclk to 1600

 

[DarkHorizon472]

I’ve been fighting the urge to scratch the upgrade itch since 2pm last Sunday but having seen that a few people genuinely have had loads of issues I think I’ve made the right call for now.

If it turns out that the 3800X is the cream of the crop, or the 3950X won’t destroy my existing mobo, I might yet upgrade once Gigabyte release a decent BIOS for my X470.

But for now, no chance.

That’s my thoughts exactly, give it a while for the bios to settle down and then wait for a good deal.

 

[BoomAM]

^^^Cheers for the info.

To balance that, the AMD plan doesnt clock down as standard it seems.
I run with the stock windows balanced and it clocks down correctly.

 

[Dimi]

To balance that, the AMD plan doesnt clock down as standard it seems.
I run with the stock windows balanced and it clocks down correctly.

What about Ryzen Balanced vs. Windows Balanced Plan?

By now, you may know that 3rd Gen Ryzen heralds the return of the Ryzen Balanced power plan (only for 3rd Gen CPUs; everyone else can use the regular ol' Windows plan). This plan specifically enables the 1ms clock selection we've been promoting as a result of CPPC2. This allows the CPU to respond more quickly to workloads, especially bursty workloads, which improves performance for you. In contrast, the default "Balanced" plan that comes with Windows is configured to a 15ms clock selection interval.

Some have noticed that switching to the Windows Balanced plan, instead of the Ryzen Balanced Plan, causes idle voltages to settle. This is because the default Balanced Plan, with 15ms intervals, comparatively instructs the processor to ignore 14 of 15 clock requests relative to the AMD plan.

So, if the monitoring tool is sitting there hammering the cores with boost requests, the default plan is just going to discard most of them. The core frequency and clock will settle to true idle values now and then. But if you run our performance-enhancing plan, the CPU is going to act on every single boost request interpreted from the monitoring tool. Voltages and clock, therefore, will go up. Observer effect in action!

That's from the Reddit thread from AMD's own Robert Hallock.

 

[Wucked]

LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA The uk will not be getting any 3900x until second week of august, lol hahahahaha

I have a fully mature, 100% stable working system. I'm going to sit on it until all this early adopter BS has settled and reviews are out for the full product stack. Then I'll make a purchase. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, you can kiss some.

 

[BoomAM]

That's from the Reddit thread from AMD's own Robert Hallock.

Novel, do you have a link to the Reddit thread?
Do we know the impact on voltages/temperatures from using that plan?

 

[Dimi]

Novel, do you have a link to the Reddit thread?
Do we know the impact on voltages/temperatures from using that plan?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

 

[RavenXXX2]

Below is my 3600 using the Ryzen high performance plan, as you can see running cool at idle and the cores voltage drop right down. Using the windows plans make no difference to temps or power use but you will see a decrease in system responsiveness.

 

[thenewoc]

Was looking at Ryzen chips earlier for a possible Nas build with high core count and it occurred to me that there's rather a large whole in the range when it comes to integrated graphics.

I can only get a quad core Ryzen with integrated graphics opposed to an octo core 9900 from Intel. I know these are meant to be desktop/work station chips but even when you look at TR no integrated graphics for server builds. Is TR also only intended for PC's?

Just seemed a bit of an omission from AMD on this.

 

[BoomAM]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

Thanks, i googled it and got this overview and a link-back:
https://www.techpowerup.com/257312/...age-exaggerated-a-case-of-the-observer-effect

Interesting read.
Changed over, not seeing any adverse affects thus far, or improvements, but still.
Now to find a tool that has a high enough poll rate to really see whats going on, as it would be interesting to see how its reacting under various workloads (electrical geekery! ).

...but you will see a decrease in system responsiveness.

Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate.
But i can understand where the viewpoint came from - The clock speeds at idle/low are high enough for any responsiveness related stuttering to not be objectively noticeable, along with that 20ms delay to a speed change (at worst) still being as good as/better than most other processors, either x86 or ARM based.

 

[BoomAM]

Was looking at Ryzen chips earlier for a possible Nas build with high core count and it occurred to me that there's rather a large whole in the range when it comes to integrated graphics.

Why would you want a high core count in a NAS?

 

[thenewoc]

Why would you want a high core count in a NAS?

A proper NAS that also runs VMs

 

[DragonQ]

A proper NAS that also runs VMs

Yeah it's a pain. I have an R7 1700 in mine but I had two spare old, fanless GPUs so I shoved one in there, otherwise you gotta spend £30 on a GT 710. Takes up a PCIe slot too.

 

[BoomAM]

A proper NAS that also runs VMs

A proper NAS doesnt run VM's. A proper NAS is a NAS.

But for home use i can see your usage model.
As a note though, that 4-core Ryzen would still be able to run most things you are trying to do pretty well, including transcoding of videos or other CPU heavy tasks, whilst running a few other VM's perfectly fine too.
What sort of workload do you envision to be virtualised?

 

[opethdisciple]

Was looking at Ryzen chips earlier for a possible Nas build with high core count and it occurred to me that there's rather a large whole in the range when it comes to integrated graphics.

I can only get a quad core Ryzen with integrated graphics opposed to an octo core 9900 from Intel. I know these are meant to be desktop/work station chips but even when you look at TR no integrated graphics for server builds. Is TR also only intended for PC's?

Just seemed a bit of an omission from AMD on this.

A £30 Nvidia GT710 would do the job.

(Just seen others have mentioned the same above)

 

[thenewoc]

Yeah it's a pain. I have an R7 1700 in mine but I had two spare old, fanless GPUs so I shoved one in there, otherwise you gotta spend £30 on a GT 710. Takes up a PCIe slot too.

I'd like to do a dual system build in one case at some point so it doesn't really have a lot of scope on a small itx build to add a discrete card. I think I'm gonna have to wait and see if Intel release something to counter amd with more than 8 cores plus integrated graphics.