AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[andy_mk3]

My Asus x99 board suddenly decided to stop working, so looks as if i may have to go AMD.. Shame about those tiny fans though on x570.

Or dig out my x58 stuff

Don't let the chipset fan put you off. I have a watercooled system, even with all the fans at 600rpm, I cannot and have not ever heard the chipset fan.

 

[Ross Thomson]

It’s a higher clocking 3700X

no significant difference in performance for an extra $70 that I can see.

 

[Captain]

I personally change the fans to Noctua fans, it just depends on the RPM limit. If anything you can adjust it on the BIOS

I looked at those but the fans I wanted were £22 each and didn't fancy spending £130 on fans

 

[Zernath]

no significant difference in performance for an extra $70 that I can see.

That's what I thought too. Probably clever marketing from AMD, to make the 3700X even more appealing!

 

[opethdisciple]

So after being close to buying a 3800x twice this week I think I've settled on the 3700x. I want it. And will keep wanting it untill I buy it. It should be a decent upgrade on the 2700x at least from a frame stability perspective.

 

[jigger]

no significant difference in performance for an extra $70 that I can see.

Well they are faster.

 

[SiDeards73]

I will say this, me and my brother both had Ryzen 1700 and Vega 64 builds, with 3600mhz C16 Gskill Ram

I swapped to a 3800x x570 Taichi setup with the Vega 64 and 3600 C16 Ram

He swapped to a 3700x x570 Taichi with Vega 64 and 3600 C16 Ram, same as mine.

Both setups on the 1.60 Bios

My 3800x done 3600mhz Ram and Fabric straight out of the box and boosts to 4.5ghz

His 3700x will only do 3400mhz Mem and 3600 Fabric out the box and boosts to 4.4

@Smudge can verify this.

The 3800x is a better binned chip for sure

 

[Ross Thomson]

Well they are faster.

by a tiny amount hence the tiny insignificant difference in games and work load. my cpu is faster at 4ghz but more efficient at 3.9. The 100mhz makes naff all difference to my workload and game play.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

Why the lack of perspective from everyone?
They are the same chip, but they aren't targeted at the same people.

 

[triss]

I will say this, me and my brother both had Ryzen 1700 and Vega 64 builds, with 3600mhz C16 Gskill Ram

I swapped to a 3800x x570 Taichi setup with the Vega 64 and 3600 C16 Ram

He swapped to a 3700x x570 Taichi with Vega 64 and 3600 C16 Ram, same as mine.

Both setups on the 1.60 Bios

My 3800x done 3600mhz Ram and Fabric straight out of the box and boosts to 4.5ghz

His 3700x will only do 3400mhz Mem and 3600 Fabric out the box and boosts to 4.4

@Smudge can verify this.

The 3800x is a better binned chip for sure

While it seems like that the sample size is quite small, might be silicon lottery?

 

[Nghtmare]

3700X and the 3800X is like buying the same car with different engine options. The car its going to take you from point A to point B regardless, one is going to do it a little faster and efficient. It just depends if the owner is willing to pay extra for the extra performance.

 

[jigger]

by a tiny amount hence the tiny insignificant difference in games and work load. my cpu is faster at 4ghz but more efficient at 3.9. The 100mhz makes naff all difference to my workload and game play.

So buy a 3700X

 

[Captain]

Last bits have just arrived, not really in the mood to start working on it though.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Which CPU would you get? unless you're getting a 3900X and / or one of those new PCIe 4 NVMe drives you don't need X570.

Mid range... https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html

Higher end.... https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33q-ms.html

They are good boards and anyone will run anything upto and including a 3800X, With those you don't even need a CPU to upgrade the BIOS, they have an external USB BIOS flashing utility. wich you will need to do for Ryzen 3000.

My 3600 is happy on my First gen B350 board.

No clue atm just going to have a look now. Wouldn't the ram speed be a bit more limited with an older board?

I think DF showed what 7-8% difference in games between 3000 and 3600 ram but they didn't show any inbetween speeds.

 

[michty_me]

I'm in the mood for spending some cash soon so looking to get the final parts of my build (CPU and Mobo).
I was initially set on a 3900X but I don't need that many cores. Tempted with the 3700X/3800X.

I may consider the motherboards in post #22113 from Humbug (MSI X470 gaming pro carbon)

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

I'm putting off my build until MSI decide whether they're bothering with a 32MB BIOS for the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. If they do, for certain the original version won't get BIOS updates for 4th gen in future, whereas the Max version probably would.

 

[michty_me]

I'm putting off my build until MSI decide whether they're bothering with a 32MB BIOS for the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. If they do, for certain the original version won't get BIOS updates for 4th gen in future, whereas the Max version probably would.

Good thinking.

 

[Ross Thomson]

So buy a 3700X

not enough of an upgrade over my 1700. I'll be seeing how the 3900x compares to the 3950x.

 

[Ree]

Last bits have just arrived, not really in the mood to start working on it though.

thats a really nice case. think msi are giving away the 240 version of that cooler with motherboard sales.

 

[humbug]

No clue atm just going to have a look now. Wouldn't the ram speed be a bit more limited with an older board?

I think DF showed what 7-8% difference in games between 3000 and 3600 ram but they didn't show any inbetween speeds.

Not really no, RAM speed is about the IMC, not so much the board, i say that because if you get a really crap board you might not get it over 3200Mhz with 3600Mhz capable RAM but that's not what higher end B450 and X470 boards are, Ryzen 1000 and to a lesser extent Ryzen 2000 were limited by their IMC, i'm already getting higher clocks out of My RAM on the same board than i did with the Ryzen 1600, 3133Mhz without trying hard on 3000Mhz RAM, once you go over 3600Mhz Infinity Fabric switches to 1:2 speed anyway, the sweet-spot is 3600 and as long as you have RAM capable of that the B450 Pro Carbon and X470 boards i linked should do that.