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Legend said:
I agree with you on GPU... it's a sucky time to want to really push a 1440p/UW/4K Freesync monitor. Vega 64 does a half decent job at 1440p, but it's a real shame AMD don't have something to rival the 1080Ti after all this time.

From a 1700, I can see the logic to wait for Zen 2. it should offer a decent bump over current offerings, which aren't at all shabby in and of themselves. Will be interesting to see if anything is announced at CES, but I think you'll be waiting much longer for an AMD GPU that excites than you will a CPU.
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I agree but if the rumors of the Navi being 1080 speed for £250 are true I'll pick up one, side grade sure but I get freesync back.
 
SiDeards73 said:
I agree but if the rumors of the Navi being 1080 speed for £250 are true I'll pick up one, side grade sure but I get freesync back.
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Why wait, with a 300W plus power draw you can get better than RTX2070 performance with a Vega56 :D

In all seriousness though, the Vega lineup while being molested heavily by the mining boom and relatively poor pricing at launch is actually a pretty solid buy right now. The caveat being it's a solid buy if you are interested in tweaking to get the best performance. They really aren't just plug and play ultimate performance ;)
 
TrixX said:
Why wait, with a 300W plus power draw you can get better than RTX2070 performance with a Vega56 :D

In all seriousness though, the Vega lineup while being molested heavily by the mining boom and relatively poor pricing at launch is actually a pretty solid buy right now. The caveat being it's a solid buy if you are interested in tweaking to get the best performance. They really aren't just plug and play ultimate performance ;)
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My brother has a V64 reference, it's a good card, but it's not so far ahead of this 1080 that it makes me want to dump £450+ on it, even if I sold the 1080 to offset the cost etc it's still the hassle of selling one card to buy another etc.

I'm lazy and happy to wait til AMD beat it on 7nm then do a full new AMD build from the ground up. Now with a X1X coming and RDR2 I will have plenty to do, shortly after Xmas Grim Dawn comes to Xbox so that'll keep me going for months.
 
TrixX said:
Why wait, with a 300W plus power draw you can get better than RTX2070 performance with a Vega56 :D

In all seriousness though, the Vega lineup while being molested heavily by the mining boom and relatively poor pricing at launch is actually a pretty solid buy right now. The caveat being it's a solid buy if you are interested in tweaking to get the best performance. They really aren't just plug and play ultimate performance ;)
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I saw video on GN where a power moded vega54 matches a 2070 and not far from 2070 OC. Not bad for a £350 card but unfortunately it has 300+w power draw:eek:

I think it should be able to get even more out of vega 54, with other tweaks. I have seen people gain good performance from just memory overclock.



 
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Yeah there's a ton of performance on the table in that test. I run a 200% mod for benchmarking and it's neither here nor there. Doesn't get close to the 200% wattage barrier either (220W normal 440W with 200%) with the most I've seen it draw being 380W in Afterburner at least.

The other point to note is the memory is 950MHz for his testing. Large gains to be had with the mem up to 1100Mhz and some of the good ones can go to 1150 or even 1200 for the Golden HBM samples ;)

Must say 1710 stable on core is good though. I can get up to around 1720 stable on core with enough juice being pumped through, but it's not worth the gain over ~1660 outside of benchmarking. Maintaining 1720MHz requires 360W, maintaining 1660 requires ~200W.
 
SiDeards73 said:
So if this is possible on the V56, is this also possible on the V64 for better gains?
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Generally the V64 has better memory so yes, there are better gains. Just check the OCUK leaderboards for Timespy, Firestrike and Superposition and you'll see a Vega64 on top of all the GTX 1080's ;)

Generally the V56 won't be able to run the V64LC BIOS, but the V64 references were mostly able to, usually if you got a good moulded GPU. If you can run the LC BIOS it bumps up the actual Mem voltage and gives access to higher Mem frequency in some cases. I run 1100MHz normal and 1130MHz benching, something I can't do with the stock V64 BIOS. Another thing to note is that watercooling the GPU works wonders with the Vega series. Even if it's just a hybrid AIO as you gain performance in spades keeping the GPU as cool as possible.
 
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Its amazing how a guy can stretch "Intel didn't send me any CPU's" for 5 minutes, something that no one is interested in and could have been said in 10 seconds, instead he spent the first 5 minutes incoherently rambling about how he would have liked to have been sent a 9900K.

My head was completely done in long before he got to the point of his video which was not for another 7 minutes of far too long winded speculation, maybe this is why no one sends him any stuff.

I cannot stand Youtubers like this, they literally waste half an hour of your time.
 
humbug said:
Its amazing how a guy can stretch "Intel didn't send me any CPU's" for 5 minutes, something that no one is interested in and could have been said in 10 seconds, instead he spent the first 5 minutes incoherently rambling about how he would have liked to have been sent a 9900K.

My head was completely done in long before he got to the point of his video which was not for another 7 minutes of far too long winded speculation, maybe this is why no one sends him any stuff.

I cannot stand Youtubers like this, they literally waste half an hour of your time.
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I posted it before watching it as the title peaked my interest, you're right though it does seem like he's a tad salty, I'll try to remember to not post anything of his again without watching the content first, Sometimes it can be quite funny when You-tuber's get upset over not getting free hardware, nearly all of them have done it at some point, the first to come to mind are Jay2cents and the creepy fella who always has his teddy bear with him.
 
nashathedog said:
I posted it before watching it as the title peaked my interest, you're right though it does seem like he's a tad salty, I'll try to remember to not post anything of his again without watching the content first, Sometimes it can be quite funny when You-tuber's get upset over not getting free hardware, nearly all of them have done it at some point, the first to come to mind are Jay2cents and the creepy fella who always has his teddy bear with him.
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Oh the teddy bear guy, yeah that guy is strange....
 
This is worth a read:

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-...icro-devices-inc-amd-q3-2018-earnings-co.aspx

Maybe I would answer the question this way. When we look at our 7-nanometer product and its positioning in 2019 across the server landscape, we feel very good about the positioning. I think it's not just 7-nanometer, 7-nanometer is important, but we've also made some significant changes to the architecture, as well as how -- sort of the system. So, I think overall we feel with the design and process capabilities at our 7-nanometer products will be quite competitive.
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Well, we have a great relationship with TSMC, I think they're very supportive of our roadmap in 7-nanometer. So it's not due to any supply constraints. It's just due to the time that we believe it will take for vendors to really qualify new systems.
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So, the way I look at it, Vivek is, it's really a continuum. And the continuum is, we have a number of customers that are very actively working with EPYC. I think the first 5% does include some cloud customers ramping and that's important. And then as we go beyond that, we would expect that they're more used to our architecture. Our architecture socket compatible between the first and second generation we're sampling it now. And so, I think the idea is we would like to see some acceleration in that as we bring in the 7-nanometer product but we'll certainly have to go through that process.
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And we will go through this in a lot more detail on November 6. But at a high level, I think 7-nanometer gives us a better density. So for a given system we can put more cores on it. It gives us better power. So that gives us total cost of ownership. And it does give us better performance as well.
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It appears AMD will have a Horizon event on November 6th talking about Zen2.
 
SiDeards73 said:
My brother has a V64 reference, it's a good card, but it's not so far ahead of this 1080 that it makes me want to dump £450+ on it, even if I sold the 1080 to offset the cost etc it's still the hassle of selling one card to buy another etc.

I'm lazy and happy to wait til AMD beat it on 7nm then do a full new AMD build from the ground up. Now with a X1X coming and RDR2 I will have plenty to do, shortly after Xmas Grim Dawn comes to Xbox so that'll keep me going for months.
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Got a reference for experimentation and comparing it to my Nitro. Please ask your brother to pay a visit to the Vega 64 owners discussion where I have settings with the reference posted this week.
By cutting power he can beat water-cooled gtx1080 @ 2190. Settings are there using reference blower and no fan changes etc.
 
humbug said:
Its amazing how a guy can stretch "Intel didn't send me any CPU's" for 5 minutes, something that no one is interested in and could have been said in 10 seconds, instead he spent the first 5 minutes incoherently rambling about how he would have liked to have been sent a 9900K.

My head was completely done in long before he got to the point of his video which was not for another 7 minutes of far too long winded speculation, maybe this is why no one sends him any stuff.

I cannot stand Youtubers like this, they literally waste half an hour of your time.
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Yeah, I watched that earlier. Listened to the intro and thought it was a good start... Then it turned out to be a rambling mess, like 80% of all youtube content.
 
PiKe said:
900mhz thunderbird with a pencil mod to get it to 1ghz :p
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I remember my amd thunderbird at 2.2ghz where I had a open case and desktop fan blowing on it to keep it in check LOL

Think was the thoroughbred 2200+ so lower clock speed but the 2200 model.

When amd released their 64bit they made massive steps forward.
 
chrcoluk said:
I remember my amd thunderbird at 2.2ghz where I had a open case and desktop fan blowing on it to keep it in check LOL

Think was the thoroughbred 2200+ so lower clock speed but the 2200 model.

When amd released their 64bit they made massive steps forward.
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You mean Athlon. :)

2200+ Thoroughbred chip was pretty poor (unless it was a rev. B CPU) as far as I recall, but that was due to the shrink to 0.13 micron, down from the Palomino at 0.18. Stock clock was about 1.8GHZ IIRC, so if you managed 2.2GHz from it you were doing exceedingly well.
 
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