AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[queamin]

I will wait a year or more for AM5 to get sorted so a new motherboard with 5600x is fine for me for 18months or 2 years.

 

[Participant]

X570 has a chipset fan and B550 I/O is slightly gimped, so although a new chipset would be good for some people, I can't see most people getting any value from what an X590 or whatever could possibly offer, unless you have extreme PCI4 requirements and cannot stand chipset fans.

 

[gooseuk]

I wonder how much better the 5900x will be over the 3900x? I guess we shall find out today

 

[will13]

I wonder how much better the 5900x will be over the 3900x? I guess we shall find out today

I'm most excited for 5800X, I want too see the clock speed and single CCX module performance of that bad boy

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I'm most excited for 5800X, I want too see the clock speed and single CCX module performance of that bad boy

Same here, 3700x to 5800x for me, unless the 12 core can do something to have the same latency as the 8 core when a game/application doesn't use more than that.

 

[will13]

Same here, 3700x to 5800x for me, unless the 12 core can do something to have the same latency as the 8 core when a game/application doesn't use more than that.

I only really game on my PC still so extra cores are gonna be wasted, I think by time there needed I'll be ready to go to 3rd gen AM5

 

[michty_me]

I was considering a 12core when the time comes to buy. May consider the 8 core depending on gaming performance.

 

[opethdisciple]

I wonder how much better the 5900x will be over the 3900x? I guess we shall find out today

I'm expecting in general - more cores/threads, higher IPC - higher IF and support for faster memory speeds.

I also hope the 5000 series might push AMD above Intel as the fastest gaming platform currently available.

 

[ninezerofive]

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Dark-Hero/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-B550-XE-Gaming-WIFI/

 

[Vulture]

Same here, 3700x to 5800x for me, unless the 12 core can do something to have the same latency as the 8 core when a game/application doesn't use more than that.

3900x on the same clock as 3800x have higher FPS because of much more cache, so 2 ccd aren't problem. 5900x will behave same when compared to 5800x.

 

[jigger]

3900x on the same clock as 3800x have higher FPS because of much more cache, so 2 ccd aren't problem. 5900x will behave same when compared to 5800x.

We will have to see. My hunch is the 5800X will edge out the 5900X running 16 threads or less.

 

[Troezar]

We will have to see. My hunch is the 5800X will edge out the 5900X running 16 threads or less.

I think you're right the physical distance would make me think that despite the cache two CCDs would have a penalty. If not AMD are on to a winner.

 

[Chaos666]

I think you're right the physical distance would make me think that despite the cache two CCDs would have a penalty. If not AMD are on to a winner.

apparently they didn't change the IO die.. so all improvements are coming from the shared cache in the ccd
AFAIK 3900x is better for gaming thatn 3800x

 

[Troezar]

apparently they didn't change the IO die.. so all improvements are coming from the shared cache in the ccd
AFAIK 3900x is better for gaming thatn 3800x

Interesting, potential for another iteration with an improved IO die maybe?

 

[Chaos666]

Interesting, potential for another iteration with an improved IO die maybe?

Yes.. I think thats one of the things they can improve.
Performance is there.. Now its just a matter of latency and software support

 

[Troezar]

Yes.. I think thats one of the things they can improve.
Performance is there.. Now its just a matter of latency and software support

Hence my plan to upgrade from my 3700X once AM5 arrives and see what refinements AMD can come up with to the final CPU's on AM4.

 

[Mr Oblong]

Interesting, potential for another iteration with an improved IO die maybe?

I thought the IO die was on 14nm because they've contracted with Global Foundries until 2023, if so I wouldn't expect much change there.

 

[alec]

Not much reason to change IO die on AM4. Seems to work fine. Setting DDR4 overclock records and supporting Zen 3 in becoming fastest CPU ever.
And then AM5 and DDR5 will need a new IO die anyway.

 

[Mr Oblong]

Not much reason to change IO die on AM4. Seems to work fine. Setting DDR4 overclock records and supporting Zen 3 in becoming fastest CPU ever.
And then AM5 and DDR5 will need a new IO die anyway.

Yeah, there isn't a big benefit available (aside from the contractual obligations I mentioned).

 

[Chaos666]

who knows.. i sure hope they can do something to improve it