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You should be able too, AMD said they would support the socket until 2020, I think even 7nm+ (Zen 3 Ryzen 4) CPU's in 2020 will work in these boards too, obviously they will release new boards too, but they will be optional, probably come with some added features like Precision boost 3 maybe even PCI-e 4.0, some more PCI-e lanes etc, they will probably be something like X570 boards, but the chips should still work in X470 boards with a bios update.
Like someone else said on here, they do have to be a little bit careful and keep something up their sleeve, even be careful that they don't cannibalise their Threadripper line of CPU's.
I think Zen 4 RyZen 5 is when we will see the big changes, PCI-e 4.0, DDR5, different socket maybe ???? they are looking at skipping the next die shrink and going straight to 3nm for those.
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I know the socket is supported, but that's not necessarily the same as any given chipset being able to support a new processor. I hope you're right! 
More logical processors is always better. Gives the software stack more room to breathe...
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That would give Intel a real head ache, bring it!
PS: those who say you don't need that many cores have no idea how to use a computer.
Massive grains of salt, but I think what most consumers want from AMD is to see them up their single threaded performance. If they can do that and maintain their cost/core then they've already won. If they can't, then they'll have to continue beating Intel out of the workspace market by adding more cores cheaply alongside small process improvements. I dearly hope for the former, but frankly the life they've injected into the market with Ryzen is a breath of fresh air after the stagnation we've had since the 2xxx Intel chips. It feels like Intel might not be resting on their laurels for much longer and need to break a sweat to stay competitive.
I imagine that with DDR4 and GPU pricing the way it is, they probably aren't seeing as much growth in the consumer market as they really deserve either. God knows I'm still hanging onto my 3770k purely because I can't splurge that much to upgrade.
I imagine that with DDR4 and GPU pricing the way it is, they probably aren't seeing as much growth in the consumer market as they really deserve either. God knows I'm still hanging onto my 3770k purely because I can't splurge that much to upgrade.
Certainly was the case for me. Ryzen 1st gen just didn't have the single core perf I was looking for, hence flipping back to blue for a year or so. Even vs Ryzen 2000, I'm still happy with my choice.
I get that some (most?) 2017+ triple-A titles can make good use of 8 cores, but there's a lot of stuff out there that simply wants more 1-core grunt. You can say it's old, or inefficient, or badly written, and that'd all probably be true. None of that stops people wanting to play those games, and none of that means that people with those games would prefer a newer game with better threading. People are gonna buy CPUs for the things they actually do, and people are gonna enjoy playing what they enjoy playing. While it's nice that AMD reckon they can bring 12-16 cores to AM4, what I really want next is 6 cores at 6ghz. Or more. More is fine
Caporegime
When you say "Single threaded performance" are you talking about IPC? there is little difference between Coffeelake and Ryzen 2, in single threaded performance clock for clock the 8700K has between 3 and 4% higher IPC, if you look at the 2600X at the same clock speed with the same number of threads is 4 to 5% faster than the 8700K.
If these rumours are true Ryzen 3000 would have 10 to 15% higher IPC than Coffeelake
I have no doubt Ryzen 3000 will also clock 10 to 15% higher too, that would make an overclocked Ryzen 3600 faster than an overclocked 8700K.
2019 is going to be AMD's year
When you say "Single threaded performance" are you talking about IPC? there is little difference between Coffeelake and Ryzen 2, in single threaded performance clock for clock the 8700K has between 3 and 4% higher IPC, if you look at the 2600X at the same clock speed with the same number of threads is 4 to 5% faster than the 8700K.
If these rumours are true Ryzen 3000 would have 10 to 15% higher IPC than Coffeelake
I have no doubt Ryzen 3000 will also clock 10 to 15% higher too, that would make an overclocked Ryzen 3600 faster than an overclocked 8700K.
2019 is going to be AMD's year
Would much prefer to see them concentrate on ipc and core clock speeds than bunging on more cores, it would put them in the position of having an overall faster cpu than intel for the first time in well over a decade, that would definitely add to their stock value and give them a ton of sales. Might not be what they're looking at doing but at the same time i'm not sure if more cores, higher clocks, and 15% higher ipc can be achieved all at the same time.
Soldato
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Higher clock speeds and higher IPC with the current amount of cores is exactly what i personally want. In fact i can see a case for them doing both, keeping the current core count with higher clocks and IPC and another line with more cores. There is no real reason for them not doing both.
Caporegime
Beyond architecture clock speed is out of AMD's hands, 12nm promised to be 10% faster than 14nm, that's what we got, Ryzen 2000 clocks about 10% higher, Global Foundries have said 7nm will be 40% faster than 14nm, personally i doubt that, i think the architecture will be a limitation at reasonable volts, boosts and overclocked maybe 4.8Ghz is my prediction.
In any case if these rumour is true they are actually doing it all, higher core counts, upto 16 mainstream with 15% higher IPC putting the IPC 10% or so above coffeelake, and 4.8Ghz 2 core boosts and all core overclocks, its everything.
Yes, i think AMD will go for Intel's jugular, they will just do them over on everything.
This is what I'll be upgrading too probably, screw Intel but upgrading from a 3570k to 3770k has been massive for me, I'm highly surprised with the upgrade in just 4 threads, imagine how it's going to be going to 8c/16t or more
To all those complaining about more cores and threads arn't that scale-able in games, the only way they are going to get more scale-able is if we invest in higher threaded CPU's so they have no choice but to support them more, IPC can only get you so far.
To all those complaining about more cores and threads arn't that scale-able in games, the only way they are going to get more scale-able is if we invest in higher threaded CPU's so they have no choice but to support them more, IPC can only get you so far.
No I mean single threaded performance as in ipc*clockspeed. If this report is true, then there's potential for that to happen, but it's very early days and I'm not going to get excited until we start seeing samples getting leakedWhen you say "Single threaded performance" are you talking about IPC? there is little difference between Coffeelake and Ryzen 2, in single threaded performance clock for clock the 8700K has between 3 and 4% higher IPC, if you look at the 2600X at the same clock speed with the same number of threads is 4 to 5% faster than the 8700K.
If these rumours are true Ryzen 3000 would have 10 to 15% higher IPC than Coffeelake
I have no doubt Ryzen 3000 will also clock 10 to 15% higher too, that would make an overclocked Ryzen 3600 faster than an overclocked 8700K.
2019 is going to be AMD's year
That's just the problem at the moment, we know design is finished, and we all know production has started, Global foundries and TMSC have been all over the news at the moment about production, but the rest is all very top secret......we wont truly know until something leaks or engineering samples start appearing, the thought is a very nice thing, bit I wouldn't hold my breath, its all just speculation and rumours at the moment.
It depends if there will be a voltage wall on the new 7nm process. You want to see lower-core count processors to be able to reach higher frequencies.
Right now, the 14nm 16-core Threadrippers reach the same frequencies as the 14nm quad-cores and hexa-cores, and octo-cores.
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Dont need IPC or cores really, just more clockspeed.
Can already get a 2700X boosting to near 4.5, albeit its hot and takes voltage, if they can get that nearer to 5 the processors would be excellent.
Can already get a 2700X boosting to near 4.5, albeit its hot and takes voltage, if they can get that nearer to 5 the processors would be excellent.
Soldato
Dont need IPC or cores really, just more clockspeed.
Can already get a 2700X boosting to near 4.5, albeit its hot and takes voltage, if they can get that nearer to 5 the processors would be excellent.
IPC/clockspeed achieves the same thing. If they can increase the IPC at the same clockspeed it's an improvement.
Of course more clockspeed would be nice as well.
Soldato
Dont need IPC or cores really, just more clockspeed.
Can already get a 2700X boosting to near 4.5, albeit its hot and takes voltage, if they can get that nearer to 5 the processors would be excellent.
Does your board had offset settings? To OC to 4.5ghz without much voltage and heat, need motherboard with offset on the voltage, boost override etc
Have a look here some ideas.
That would give Intel a real head ache, bring it!
PS: those who say you don't need that many cores have no idea how to use a computer.
X4 Foundations will support 32 core CPU as X:Rebirth does
Bring it on....(also supports Vulkan).
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Yes this will be interesting as well as setting how they behave thermally. We'll they be hot as all hell or not?