AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[FoxEye]

One of the many reasons why I left a previous job, was their extremely ignorant opinion of AMD that they would never use AMD's products and that AMD is a garage firm.
How can I work for a company if they don't provide me with the hardware I feel comfortable with?!

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

 

[Troezar]

Brand loyalty is a religion to some. It's even been shown to activate the same areas of the brain as religion. Even at 20% faster and half the price you'd still have 'true believers' that would stick with their brand.

These days I try to look for the facts and ignore the nonsense. I've never seen anyone converted that hadn't already got a mind open to alternatives.

I think multicore (6+) will soon be mainstream and once a few software vendors start optimising their competitors will have to follow or get left behind.

 

[4K8KW10]

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

This is a monopoly case and the corresponding administrations should impose further multi-billion fines on the guilty sides.
How does Google get fines from the EU for breaching the anti-monopoly rules?!

 

[kitfit1]

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Local councils, the NHS and government departments of all sorts spend Billions of Pounds yearly on IT. The idea that they will only buy Intel, beggers belief. The government has a duty to make shure that we the tax payer get the best value for money. Clearly, not considering and not pricing up the difference between Intel and AMD for hardware is a national scandal and also must be against EU rules for procurement.

I can't think of any circumstances where software dosn't run the same on Intel or AMD, except with AMD on Linux, where it is actually faster than Intel.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

why are you taking it so seriously ? dont get involved cause i dont agree with a silly statement being made based of one cinebench test ? concept is the right word. i hope amd does beat intel i have said this numerous times. im actually hoping they are great as i will probably get a 12 core amd cpu. so stop clinging to the forums so tightly. let your belt open a notch. breathe. amd isnt jesus christ. wait till proper benchmarks then progress it as the second coming.

Mate, you're trying to reason with AMD extremists, just let them believe that the mythical 3850x will be 100% faster in every test over the 9900k at half the price... Maybe less!

You're the troll however, doesn't matter if you're talking sense, you bought an Intel. You'll need to buy 5 piledriver systems and 3 Ryzen systems as repentance, whilst ritually burning the Intel ones.

 

[LePhuronn]

why are you taking it so seriously ? dont get involved cause i dont agree with a silly statement being made based of one cinebench test ? concept is the right word. i hope amd does beat intel i have said this numerous times. im actually hoping they are great as i will probably get a 12 core amd cpu. so stop clinging to the forums so tightly. let your belt open a notch. breathe. amd isnt jesus christ. wait till proper benchmarks then progress it as the second coming.

lolwhut? Who said anything about the Second Coming Of Christ? Who said anything about "taking it so seriously"? This is entirely my point: nobody has ever said Zen 2 will be Our Redeemer. Nobody has ever "clung to the forums so tightly". Nobody has ever taken leaks or Cinebench or anything else as gospel. All that is done is discussion, chewing the fat, engaging in harmless speculation and debated points based on such speculation.

But then every time the Cincebench run is mentioned you come along and start stamping your feet over it. How Cinebench has always favoured AMD, how Cinebench isn't gaming, blah blah blah etc etc etc. Yes. We know. EVERYBODY has said it before. We all actually AGREE with you, but you're too busy frothing at the mouth to realise that.

Mate, you're trying to reason with AMD extremists, just let them believe that the mythical 3850x will be 100% faster in every test over the 9900k at half the price... Maybe less!

You're the troll however, doesn't matter if you're talking sense, you bought an Intel. You'll need to buy 5 piledriver systems and 3 Ryzen systems as repentance, whilst ritually burning the Intel ones.

And the moderators wonder why this thread descends into petty bickering when retarded idiocy like this post shows up...

 

[Jokester]

Mate, you're trying to reason with AMD extremists, just let them believe that the mythical 3850x will be 100% faster in every test over the 9900k at half the price... Maybe less!

You're the troll however, doesn't matter if you're talking sense, you bought an Intel. You'll need to buy 5 piledriver systems and 3 Ryzen systems as repentance, whilst ritually burning the Intel ones.

That's somewhat embellishing what people are saying to be honest.

 

[TrixX]

That's somewhat embellishing what people are saying to be honest.

I decided to avoid piledriver and get all my piledriver's in one Threadripper

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

And the moderators wonder why this thread descends into petty bickering when retarded idiocy like this post shows up...

The irony here is you're just as guilty as anyone else in this thread, but enjoy that soap box son.

 

[LePhuronn]

The irony here is you're just as guilty as anyone else in this thread, but enjoy that soap box son.

Perception is a fascinating thing, especially when different people can have such wildly different takes on the same subject. Doesn't make you any more correct, of course, but fascinating nonetheless.

 

[Rroff]

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Dunno if it is still the case as my experience is more than 20 years old, I worked for a bit in the IS unit at SSDC, but they used to use mapping software, can't remember the name but it was something like Ludhouse, that used to throw up exception errors on AMD at the time. Stuff like that often has knock on legacy problems in that it is repeated over the years and takes on a life after it is no longer true.

Again don't know if it is true today but they used to run a lot of bespoke software that was only guaranteed to work on certain hardware configurations which also meant that things like OS2 warp was being beaten into use many years beyond its useful life.

 

[chrcoluk]

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

These type of customers wouldnt be affected it seems even by super cheap AMD kit then, so isnt really an argument for keeping the prices at what they are now.

 

[FoxEye]

These type of customers wouldnt be affected it seems even by super cheap AMD kit then, so isnt really an argument for keeping the prices at what they are now.

I don't believe AMD is going to massively undercut Intel. 20% cheaper... maybe. 50% cheaper as some have suggested... not a chance.

 

[Orange Nexus]

We (local council) will never use AMD CPUs. We spec Intel everything. Clients and servers.

Say "AMD" and people here laugh at you.

Oddly enough, most of the time the argument is that AMD CPUs are "not compatible" with the software we run/our environment. I've never really dug into this so I have no idea why that should be the case. Sounds a bit fishy to me.

They are not aware of vulnerabilities like Foreashadow that when patched shutsdown hyperthreading, which in turn lowers performance? A more recent one is Spoiler and seems to have no cure.

Cascade Lake, though, has a hardware fix for Spectre. But, Spectre and Meltdown patches do not affect performance of cpu much i read.

 

[easyrider]

I got lambasted for mentioning the Dirty

Spoiler

Intel

word in this thread...having had countless AMD systems over the years

Anyway I sold the 9900k ,ditched my mobo and bought a Ryzen 2600 ready for 3700.

Probably a complete waste of time but kept me busy

I have to say though I felt no emotion ditching the intel rig and no emotion building the Ryzen 2600 rig

As it’s just hardware mass produced and churned out...I do find brand loyalty odd lol

 

[~>Dg<~]

The irony here is you're just as guilty as anyone else in this thread, but enjoy that soap box son.

exactly ! say AMD is the best thing since sliced bread your a hero on the forums. say intel is faster your a troll. its weak mentality like this which ruins many topics. they are two companies fighting for your money. they dont love you. they want your money. nothing has been proven , shown to say that the new amd chips are better than anything intel has had out for a year or more. apart from a cinebench score. any logical person wouldnt worship a product before knowing the ins and outs and the hard facts.

amd previously were slower with ryzen with literally every game and the cinebench score at the time of launch was higher than the intel counterpart. cinebench means zip in the grand scheme of things.

i will buy a 12 core if priced right. before the worshipers come in and chant AMD AMD AMD !

 

[easyrider]

exactly ! say AMD is the best thing since sliced bread your a hero on the forums. say intel is faster your a troll

Pretty much...then after you say the 9900k is faster in games then the cost card comes out...

Yeah, my 2600 Ryzen and mobo was cheaper than my 9900k but guess what? It’s slower lol...

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

exactly ! say AMD is the best thing since sliced bread your a hero on the forums. say intel is faster your a troll. its weak mentality like this which ruins many topics. they are two companies fighting for your money. they dont love you. they want your money. nothing has been proven , shown to say that the new amd chips are better than anything intel has had out for a year or more. apart from a cinebench score. any logical person wouldnt worship a product before knowing the ins and outs and the hard facts.

amd previously were slower with ryzen with literally every game and the cinebench score at the time of launch was higher than the intel counterpart. cinebench means zip in the grand scheme of things.

i will buy a 12 core if priced right. before the worshipers come in and chant AMD AMD AMD !

There's some seriously loyal fans on here, one guy quits his job because his company don't buy AMD (I'm paraphrasing)... Astonishing.

My main concern is how good the gaming performance is, but I'm optimistic it's better than anything have. It needs to be though, I'm still mildly disappointed that a quad core 7700k is still better for gaming than anything we can currently get, unless your favorite game is cinebench

I'm going for the 16 core regardless I think, as long as it's not too much over £600 and anything less will be a bonus.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Pretty much...then after you say the 9900k is faster in games then the cost card comes out...

Yeah, my 2600 Ryzen and mobo was cheaper than my 9900k but guess what? It’s slower lol...

We all, let's be honest now, have that need to justify our purchases. lol. If you buy a cheap cpu, then you buy a cheap motherboard, ram, etc. to stay true to its value. If you have a golden 2600 and be able to oc to 4.2 paired with some fast ram and tight timings, then you might not see the difference among other more expensive cpus.

https://i.imgur.com/wkHBrct.jpg

 

[CuriousTomCat]

I don't believe AMD is going to massively undercut Intel. 20% cheaper... maybe. 50% cheaper as some have suggested... not a chance.

Why does 9900K performance for 50% cheaper sound too unbelievable? It's called progress. When Nvidia released the GTX 1070, were they insane to sell 980ti level performance for 40% cheaper? That's how the jump from one generation to the next usualy works. The 9900K was last gen. Why is it so hard to believe that the next gen will beat the prices by 50%? Intel will probably beat the 9900K with their next gen as well.

I think peoples perception have been blinded by the stagnent CPU market for the last 10 years and those of us who are older, will remember the times when leaps like this happend yearly. I used to upgrade my CPU after 2 years and get double the performance for the same price. This worked out at 50% cheaper each year. That's how the industry works sometimes.