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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

beany_bot said:
They must have realised (looking at sales of 2080Ti's) that some people have more money than sense. And will happily go from 2700x - golden 2700x - 3700x in a few short months. Might aswell try and sell them than throw them in the stock pile.
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Remember not everyone is like some OCUK enthusiasts upgrading cpu on annual basis :)

People coming from FX chips, intel or first gen ryzen would be be candidates to buy it.

It is I read on here a lot that basically you buy a cpu when its newly released, otherwise its a waste of time and wait for the next release.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
First pictures of the AM4 Ryzen 3000 APUs:
https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1984771-1-1.html

There is a Ryzen 3 3200G. Looks like it's a desktop version of the 12NM APUs. Will they have Zen+ cores??
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APUs a gen behind makes sense. They are very price sensitive, 12nm will be cheap and well known. I expect 4xxx APUs will go 7nm core, larger IO die and maybe 7nm GPU. It'd be a great disposal route for less than stellar clocking 8core chiplets with core defects
 
d_brennen said:
APUs a gen behind makes sense. They are very price sensitive, 12nm will be cheap and well known. I expect 4xxx APUs will go 7nm core, larger IO die and maybe 7nm GPU. It'd be a great disposal route for less than stellar clocking 8core chiplets with core defects
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Well the chap also has 7NM Zen samples too it appears!So the validation samples are in the wild it appears!
 
Wommers said:
Wasn't there a Matisse APU planned for release too?
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In response to a question about dropping a GPU chiplet into the empty space in that CES demo's package, Lisa Su said directly there are no plans for a GPU chiplet in the Matisse design.

Good job the Zen 2 APUs are Renoir then, isn't it ;)
 
orbitalwalsh said:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp..._zen_2_cpu_dies_but_not_as_good_as_last-gen/1

Seems pricing might not be as cheap as they'd wanted if yields are a bit low, and dies will sell like hot cakes

The true winner... Resellers
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70% yields early on is excellent, just; as they say "not as good as 14nm" but that's a mature node.

Intel are getting 28% yields on their 28 core.

Anyway, i do think Ryzen 3000 will be more expensive than Ryzen 2000, tho not hugely, and with more performance and a lot more cores per price tier. For example the 2700X Launched at $329, the top tier 3850 will be $499 IMO but with 15% higher per core performance and 2X the number of cores.
 
humbug said:
70% yields early on is excellent, just; as they say "not as good as 14nm" but that's a mature node.

Intel are getting 28% yields on their 28 core.

Anyway, i do think Ryzen 3000 will be more expensive than Ryzen 2000, tho not hugely, and with more performance and a lot more cores per price tier. For example the 2700X Launched at $329, the top tier 3850 will be $499 IMO but with 15% higher per core performance and 2X the number of cores.
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i think they need to undercut intel by half of the margin they are doing now ! getting the market share now, need the profit to match !

also the fact AMD arent the only ones eating TMSC 7nm production line - which can also effect selling prices. saw recent new AMD added more orders before likes of Apple increased theirs etc.
Really think again Resellers will be rolling in the profit

If they release 16 core , could easily sell for £600 , £100 cheaper the Gen one TR and £200 cheaper then Gen 2 , whilst still being over half the price of intels x299 16 core . would be the smart move .

for me, wanting to pick up the chip that hammers the faster Core speed all around :D
 
orbitalwalsh said:
i think they need to undercut intel by half of the margin they are doing now ! getting the market share now, need the profit to match !

also the fact AMD arent the only ones eating TMSC 7nm production line - which can also effect selling prices. saw recent new AMD added more orders before likes of Apple increased theirs etc.
Really think again Resellers will be rolling in the profit

If they release 16 core , could easily sell for £600 , £100 cheaper the Gen one TR and £200 cheaper then Gen 2 , whilst still being over half the price of intels x299 16 core . would be the smart move .

for me, wanting to pick up the chip that hammers the faster Core speed all around :D
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How's a true competitor to Intel's 9900K in the form of a 3600X for £280 sound? a 10% lower clocked 3600 for £230?.
 
humbug said:
How's a true competitor to Intel's 9900K in the form of a 3600X for £280 sound? a 10% lower clocked 3600 for £230?.
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if 3600x is the 8 core version, then I hope they sit it at 9700k Pricing with Hopefully matching the speed. Sucks for us consumers but AMD really need to start increasing profit margins for return investment . Intels 10nm will come.... ...... ..... ..... and wont be taken lightly so need to keep steam rolling R&D.

But if its under 9700k pricing... DAMN !

didnt sign Ryzen 3000 NDA this time around and havent pushed as much as I normally do ( though advantages are being able to tell family to sink it some large stock purchases in AMD ) , though only found about x570 VRMs .

will have to put some effort in before End of May I think
 
orbitalwalsh said:
if 3600x is the 8 core version, then I hope they sit it at 9700k Pricing
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It wouldn't make sense to price a Ryzen 5 against an i7. The i7 sounds like a better deal because i7 means high end. The 3600x would have to be renamed to 3700x to be marketed as high end if that was the case.

The 3600x is a midrange product and needs to be priced to be competitive against the i5.

People find it hard to accept that AMD will release an 8 core CPU at a mid range price but Intel's 9th gen came out last year and competed with the Ryzan 2xxx. Ryzen 3xxx needs to compete with Intels 10th gen when it comes out, which will also probably have an 8 core variant at a mid range price (but only because AMD did it first).
 
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