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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

If they price an 8c/16t entry level CPU much above £200 it won't sell anywhere near as well as then need it to. Even if it is 15% faster than the R7 2700, some people won't see that as good value or care to spend more, you can buy an R7 2700 for a shade over £185 today, to me that would be my go to chip if these new 3000's at the same core and thread count are £250+ at least for the entry level version.

AMD have put themselves in an awkward position, the Gen 1 and 2 CPU's are such good value, and offer great performance as well, deviating from that may cause it to backfire at least for this generation. Maybe if they regain the high-end moniker by people/buyers then that 4000 series will be able to be priced higher.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
It wouldn't make sense to price a Ryzen 5 against an i7. The i7 sounds like a better deal because i7 means high end. The 3600x would have to be renamed to 3700x to be marketed as high end if that was the case.

The 3600x is a midrange product and needs to be priced to be competitive against the i5.

People find it hard to accept that AMD will release an 8 core CPU at a mid range price but Intel's 9th gen came out last year and competed with the Ryzan 2xxx. Ryzen 3xxx needs to compete with Intels 10th gen when it comes out, which will also probably have an 8 core variant at a mid range price (but only because AMD did it first).
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who knows AMD's naming scheme, and they can market it anyway they want to... specially if they do 16 core version then a core wont be aimed at i5 but more like entry i3 and destroy the thing . AMD marketing is USELESS, i mean shocking . Was them that released Engineering samples of First ryzens a bit to soon and used aweful speeds! hence why board vendors got caught with their pants down. First Gen ryzen engineering samples was useless. Their Marketing didn't give heads up of increase of performance of retail versions till too late !

For gamers and myself, 6 cores is still fine , I'd be more happier if AMD can hand me a 6 core going 6ghz then Intels 8 cores at 5ghz needing a small Ice berg or Zen2 16 core chip at 5ghz all cores. Well 6ghz would be the dream, hopefully 6nm in 2021 will get us there :D seems thats 15% increase in performance over 7nm EUV which is 20% increase over 7nm :D

Have a feeling Intels GPU will be digging their CPU team out of a whole to compete with new Technologies and thinking ... oh the irony haha
 
orbitalwalsh said:
For gamers and myself, 6 cores is still fine
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PS5 is going to have 8c/16t Zen 2 at 3-4Ghz...

Building a new PC with less than 8c would not be a terribly good idea, for that reason alone. You're in danger of getting a worse experience than the next-gen consoles.

Yeah I know most titles are GPU bound. But still. I wouldn't take that risk. Esp with Windows 10 not being as lightweight as a console OS!
 
FoxEye said:
PS5 is going to have 8c/16t Zen 2 at 3-4Ghz...

Building a new PC with less than 8c would not be a terribly good idea, for that reason alone. You're in danger of getting a worse experience than the next-gen consoles.

Yeah I know most titles are GPU bound. But still. I wouldn't take that risk. Esp with Windows 10 not being as lightweight as a console OS!
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I see what you are saying and I do agree somewhat but the current consoles also have 8 cores and we have only really seen in the last year or 2 that having more than 4 cores has really helped in certain games. If anything game developers needed to push for more multi threaded games with the current consoles as the cpu are so slow in IPC and Mhz that they needed to use all the cores available. The new consoles that come this year or next with 8 core zen 2 are going to be so much more powerful im hopeful the developers can really push physics and the like along.
 
Curious on how much power/watts these nextgen consoles will be pulling. They are essentially becoming computers at this rate rather than consoles.
 
Scougar said:
Curious on how much power/watts these nextgen consoles will be pulling. They are essentially becoming computers at this rate rather than consoles.
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They won't be too bad I'd guess. 8 core Ryzen can be done for 65W already, so 7nm will bring that lower by a good chunk depending on clocks.

Navi is said to be 75 to 120W on desktop, so can expect that to be trimmed on console. Under 200w then which is around One X territory.
 
Troezar said:
Do you think we'll get reviews before they go on sale? I'd rather wait for reviews but I can also see there being very high demand especially for the fastest "for gaming" version.
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I am definitely not going to buy straight away because I want to see which motherboards will be best for longevity. One of the reasons it sucks they might not be released until June/July; I might have to wait until September!
 
michty_me said:
So I gather the 16 core is the Ryzen 9 if I remembered correctly from a chart that was posted about 100 pages back?
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If the chart proves to be accurate then AMD will be introducing a new Ryzen 9 tier for the 16 core SKUs, and every tier gets their core counts bumped up. It is also possible that the existing tiers don't get core count boosts (i.e. Ryzen 7 remains 8c/16t) and the new Ryzen 9 tier will be 12 and 16 cores (if we even see a 16 core).
 
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