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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

smilingcrow said:
I very much doubt they will have such a small delta between a 12C and 16C.
I could see the top bin 8C at £250 and the 16C at £500 with 12C under £400.
Those would be decent prices but they could go more aggressive easily I suspect.
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£500 for 16c/32t is almost Threadripper money. Not gonna happen. If the 16c/32t happens I expect it to cost about the same, or a smidgen over the 9900K. Y'know, just to kill the 10 core Comet Lake stone dead before it even shows up.
 
LePhuronn said:
£500 for 16c/32t is almost Threadripper money. Not gonna happen. If the 16c/32t happens I expect it to cost about the same, or a smidgen over the 9900K. Y'know, just to kill the 10 core Comet Lake stone dead before it even shows up.
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ricid said:
But the 9900K is £500..
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On OcUK TR 16C is £700-£800 and the 9900K is £500.
So £500-£600 for Zen2 16C is hardly a big leap.
Under £500 would be a giveaway.
 
LePhuronn said:
And the mindshare is still heavily against AMD, so £500 for a Ryzen - regardless of how much it'll smash Intel - just won't sell.
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Ryzen 7 1800X: 8C/16T, 3.6 GHz base, 4.0 GHz turbo, 95W, $499.
That was the price on release and it was competing with CPUs twice its price.
A 16C Zen2 Ryzen released early summer would be competing with CPUs nearer £1,200+.
What's working against AMD price wise are the bargain basement Ryzen 1/2 series 8C chips.
Although maybe that's a sign of how cheap Zen2 will be.
It's easy to look at it both ways which is one reason this is page 332.
 
smilingcrow said:
Ryzen 7 1800X: 8C/16T, 3.6 GHz base, 4.0 GHz turbo, 95W, $499.
That was the price on release and it was competing with CPUs twice its price.
A 16C Zen2 Ryzen released early summer would be competing with CPUs nearer £1,200+.
What's working against AMD price wise are the bargain basement Ryzen 1/2 series 8C chips.
Although maybe that's a sign of how cheap Zen2 will be.
It's easy to look at it both ways which is one reason this is page 332.
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That was back when Intel's top of the line HEDT CPU was the 10 core 6950X at £1600, the 8 core 6900 was £1000. so for the same performance the 1800X was half the price.

Too many people are forgetting this.
 
AMD has changed the landscape over the last 2 years, so that is what makes it difficult for us to pinpoint the correct pricing for their products.
If we look at the 2600 for instance. 6c and currently selling for £133 with a couple of games included. That would have been unthinkable 2 years ago, and seen as an incredible bargain even right now. With what Zen2 seems likely to offer, it's possible that pricing norms get rewritten again. We simply cannot predict prices either at the top or the bottom of the product stack.
 
Potatowithearsontheside said:
AMD has changed the landscape over the last 2 years, so that is what makes it difficult for us to pinpoint the correct pricing for their products.
If we look at the 2600 for instance. 6c and currently selling for £133 with a couple of games included. That would have been unthinkable 2 years ago, and seen as an incredible bargain even right now. With what Zen2 seems likely to offer, it's possible that pricing norms get rewritten again. We simply cannot predict prices either at the top or the bottom of the product stack.
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Yeah, it's kinda fun not knowing how they will play their cards but as they have a winning hand it doesn't matter so much.

I don't think 6C at £133 is such a big deal as the i5-8400 was around £145 a year ago. But the recent deals on the first and second generation 8C chips got my attention.
 
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