AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[beany_bot]

Top 16c AM4 chip - $500 is my bet. £699.99 OCUK gouging price

Fixed it again for you.

 

[humbug]

Do you think my 650W PSu would handle a theoretical 12/24 chip overclocked all core ~5ghz with a GTX 1080?

I'm running an EVGA 650 GS https://www.evga.com/articles/00912/EVGA-SuperNOVA-650-550-GS-Power-Supplies/

Its more than enough.

Great Power Supply BTW.

 

[Journey]

The 1080 will pull most of that 300w if its a 3 x 8 pin version let alone a 150+w tdp ryzen 12 core at 5ghz !

Reference GTX 1080 pulls ~180w, an OC'd MSI/EVGA card pulls 210-250w depending if it has been pushed hard or not, and if you are hitting 300w you are cooling it with water. As for the theoretical 150w 12c Ryzen, the efficiency curve of the CPU is unknown, as are the capabilities of the chiplets and what voltages will be required to hit the theoretical speeds mentioned. If he's not overclocking then the CPU will not be 150w, the TDP will be set between 95-105w for the non-X, and maybe 125w for the X version. Still not seeing any reason for more than 600w...

 

[orbitalwalsh]

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Heatpipes would be my preferred - a neater, quieter and more elegant solution to what is hopefully a niche problem.

Pmsl, safe to say the to vendors beginning with G and A don't use active cooling

Seems they look pretty slick too

 

[SpudMaster]

Do you think my 650W PSu would handle a theoretical 12/24 chip overclocked all core ~5ghz with a GTX 1080?

Should be ok, I used to run my system in sig but with an overclocked HD7970 on a 600w Corsair psu. I've also go 2 18w DDC pumps, and 12 fans! Ran rock solid for years.

 

[LePhuronn]

I was running a 2500K and OG Titan with a mild overclock on both on a SFX 450W Gold PSU with zero issues for years.

PSU requirements are seriously overrated to prevent the inexperienced using cheap-ass Chinese no-name potatoes in their systems.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Pmsl, safe to say the to vendors beginning with G and A don't use active cooling

Seems they look pretty slick too

Asus would probably be my choice again for these if Zen 2 lives up to the hype. Don't care much for overpriced ROG stuff though.

 

[Illuminist]

Reference GTX 1080 pulls ~180w, an OC'd MSI/EVGA card pulls 210-250w depending if it has been pushed hard or not, and if you are hitting 300w you are cooling it with water. As for the theoretical 150w 12c Ryzen, the efficiency curve of the CPU is unknown, as are the capabilities of the chiplets and what voltages will be required to hit the theoretical speeds mentioned. If he's not overclocking then the CPU will not be 150w, the TDP will be set between 95-105w for the non-X, and maybe 125w for the X version. Still not seeing any reason for more than 600w...

Because it may be a bronze one for one. Plus buildzoids analysis of the x570 mother board and the fact it has 2 8 pin cpu power connectors shows that it will be power hungry.
The point of it being less tdp is that they then up the ghz and ipc and imc which settles it back at 150w stock with boost line ryzens normally do. And just like the radeon 7nm which uses 300w even though its half the fabrication to achieve higher clocks and memory frequency

So it goes to show the 16 core needs 200-300w like buildzoids says, so it goes in theory that the 12 will be at least 150w

 

[humbug]

Because it may be a bronze one for one. Plus buildzoids analysis of the x570 mother board and the fact it has 2 8 pin cpu power connectors shows that it will be power hungry.
The point of it being less tdp is that they then up the ghz and ipc and imc which settles it back at 150w stock with boost line ryzens normally do. And just like the radeon 7nm which uses 300w even though its half the fabrication to achieve higher clocks and memory frequency

So it goes to show the 16 core needs 200-300w like buildzoids says, so it goes in theory that the 12 will be at least 150w

400 Watts he said, Buildzoid is talking out of his arse, i have a lot of respect for Buildzoid but time and time again he makes wild prediction like this without testing anything, then when others do it turns out he was so far off the mark its not even funny.

400 Watts, its a joke, only he's not joking and that should tell you all you need to know about him.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Because it may be a bronze one for one. Plus buildzoids analysis of the x570 mother board and the fact it has 2 8 pin cpu power connectors shows that it will be power hungry.
The point of it being less tdp is that they then up the ghz and ipc and imc which settles it back at 150w stock with boost line ryzens normally do. And just like the radeon 7nm which uses 300w even though its half the fabrication to achieve higher clocks and memory frequency

So it goes to show the 16 core needs 200-300w like buildzoids says, so it goes in theory that the 12 will be at least 150w

Without having access to a board and CPU Buildzoid's assumptions on power draw are exactly that.

 

[LePhuronn]

You don't need to plug both 8-pin EPS into the Maximus XI Gene, so why would you need to plug both 8-pin EPS into a X570 board?

The answer is for clean and plentiful power delivery if you overclock the **** off your CPU. Just because a CPU can require both EPS doesn't mean it will require both.

 

[Zeed]

400 Watts he said, Buildzoid is talking out of his arse, i have a lot of respect for Buildzoid but time and time again he makes wild prediction like this without testing anything, then when others do it turns out he was so far off the mark its not even funny.

400 Watts, its a joke, only he's not joking and that should tell you all you need to know about him.

Well want screen shot of my rig pulling almost 600w from wall ??

There Single Titan + Overclocked Ryzen while running 3dmark

 

[Silent_Scone]

Well want screen shot of my rig pulling almost 600w from wall ??

Not really, as it doesn't tell you anything.

Not all high-end 570X boards have two 8 pin aux connectors, either.

 

[humbug]

Without having access to a board and CPU Buildzoid's assumptions on power draw are exactly that.

I get the impression he is mislead, he's used to 16 core Skylake-X CPU's pulling 400 Watts with a 4.4Ghz all core overclock and thinks "Well Intel best so if Intel 400 Watts then AMD at least 400 Watts"

There is a high degree of assumed snobbery in the guy, he did this with 300 series AM4 Motherboards, he has never analysed mid and lower end Intel boards but as soon as Ryzen landed he was all over them hyperbolically denouncing almost all of them as less than useless just by looking at them.

 

[Zeed]

Not really, as it doesn't tell you anything.

Not all high-end 570X boards have two 8 pin aux connectors, either.

not all x470 One is enough i dont have second one plugged in and its stable.

Damn that photo is big on forums lol


all i can say 750W for single gpu max oc system is Plenty if its a good psu

@humbug if Zen2 scales same with power consumption i can see it taking extra 150W on top of my system on 16 core overclocked. Its not at crazy volts just 1.425 !!!

 

[Silent_Scone]

I get the impression he is mislead, he's used to 16 core Skylake-X CPU's pulling 400 Watts with a 4.4Ghz all core overclock and thinks "Well Intel best so if Intel 400 Watts then AMD at least 400 Watts"

There is a high degree of assumed snobbery in the guy, he did this with 300 series AM4 Motherboards, he has never analysed mid and lower end Intel boards but as soon as Ryzen landed he was all over them hyperbolically denouncing almost all of them as less than useless just by looking at them.

Everyone makes mistakes. He's often questioned why we weren't using doublers on our more recent boards - without fully understanding the implications of transients. Sometimes, a little too much knowledge is dangerous.

 

[Zeed]

Everyone makes mistakes. He's often questioned why we weren't using doublers on our more recent boards - without fully understanding the implications of transients. Sometimes, a little too much knowledge is dangerous.

o ye 100% it makes some people panic that something will blow up or just die cause of whatever and ends up running for YEARS. PSU are best example of that I think people buying 850 1000 1200 wat ones for single gpu systems and im like WHY.
I got 1200w one just cause it runs passive even with that power draw

 

[humbug]

Well want screen shot of my rig pulling almost 600w from wall ??

There Single Titan + Overclocked Ryzen while running 3dmark

3DMark has very little load on the CPU, its all GPU during the Graphics tests, so i would like to know what he's done to that Titan for it to be pulling about 550 Watts, unless its a physics test, then its CPU, but only CPU, so if thats the case i would like to know what he did to that 100 Watt Ryzen for it to be pulling 550 Watts.

 

[humbug]

Everyone makes mistakes. He's often questioned why we weren't using doublers on our more recent boards - without fully understanding the implications of transients. Sometimes, a little too much knowledge is dangerous.

Granted, sometimes someone can know so much bout something they will make idiotic assumptions about something else, i still find it annoying because he does know a lot about a lot and with that when he makes what are very obviously very stupid predictions people just believe him without questioning it.

 

[Plec]

Pmsl, safe to say the to vendors beginning with G and A don't use active cooling

Seems they look pretty slick too

I imagine we'll be ordering the same board - so look forward to comparing notes (if you're compos mentis with new arrival). But, if i'm out of the country i may have to wait for second wave, higher prices :/, but i'll at least be able to piggyback your early conclusions. Are you going under water with yours - and 8c or 12c (can't remember)?