AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Stephanie Peterson]

Yeah seriously.. like most on here were never around in the "old" days where ram cost the same as kidneys and a cpu+board was 2k (yes i remember the first pentiums, the first one i built at the company i worked for cost 2k for just board and processor)

 

[r22snapper]

The one that lies is you:

Just to add to the chorus of people telling you that you're talking rubbish - GTA5 runs superbly on my machine.

8/16 as entry level gaming?! Ridiculous.

 

[Scougar]

I laugh. Cherry based keyboards almost 200 dollars. Chairs... 300 dollars. AIOs coolers are now getting stupidly expensive as well. Even a basic Evo cooler was 35 dollars "on sale". Lol.

You have to weed out the dumb chaff that gives diminishing returns. Same goes for "value add" items on motherboards. Sure.. look pretty... But they just bumped the price up enormously for the pleasure. Give me function, then form.

(P s. 200 dollars for a keyboard that will make my wife want to murder me... No thanks lol).

 

[decto]

We should just go back to like I dunno, 1996? Ah those were good days, I got my hands on an Asus P55T2P4 Intel 430HX chipset motherboard, at only £120 (~£230 today). It had, 4x 72-pin SIMM slots, and even had an on-board IDE controller!

Oh yeah, it didn't have built in LAN, built in 7.1 (didn't exist) or even stereo sound card, no Wi-Fi (didn't exist), no Bluetooth (didn't exist), you had to by the 512K cache module separately and it had no flashing lights or plastic covering to make it look pretty.

STOP WHINGING! Seriously.

Back then CPU performance pretty much doubled every year so your £500 CPU became obsolete very quickly
1994 - Pentium 90Mhz
1995 - Pentium 200Mhz

At least they last a little longer before being hopeless these days

 

[4K8KW10]

Just to add to the chorus of people telling you that you're talking rubbish - GTA5 runs superbly on my machine.

8/16 as entry level gaming?! Ridiculous.

I must stop arguing with idiots. You are not representative of all the people who run the same CPU as yours. Hope now you'll understand!

 

[Journey]

Back then CPU performance pretty much doubled every year so your £500 CPU became obsolete very quickly
1994 - Pentium 90Mhz
1995 - Pentium 200Mhz

At least they last a little longer before being hopeless these days

Yet now that we finally have progress in the form of more cores per CPU, people are whining and moaning about 12c/24t for $499, that will sit on a motherboard (with socket) that you could have owned for 2 years already, and may last another generation, and then how ever long after before it is retired.

2016 - Mainstream Desktop - 4c
2017 - Mainstream desktop - 8c
2019 - Mainstream desktop - 16c

Bigger gap in the last two, but it proves the point that people are complaining about progress, because they personally have no use for it. I remember when I got my 200MMX, cost a small fortune, but man it was a huge upgrade from my Pentium 120.

 

[Temi_D]

Would it be logical to think of the x570 boards as Z390 boards but with even stronger VRMs AND PCIE 4 hence the price premium? Makes it slightly easier to understand the price that way

 

[nomadd]

You're not the only one. This is going to bite AMD hard if they aren't careful.

There were some interesting quotes by "Jesus Steve" of Gamers Nexus in his video yesterday after speaking to AMD behind closed doors. Basically, AMD is pulling an Nvidia, as they don't feel Intel can compete at the moment. No cheaper stuff - i.e. B550 - until 1H 2020. I'm more than happy to wait, as the prices are simply not worth it to me; I also can't see any compelling reason to upgrade by anyone on a recent(ish) Ryzen or Intel CPU either. But hey, you know what some of the loons round these parts are like (Must have! Must have! And now! )

I mean, it's not as if there are any games until CP2077 ships (April 2020!!) that will actually need these new processors.. (that won't stop a lot of ePeen numbers from being posted for the next 9 months, however. )

 

[nomadd]

2016 - Mainstream Desktop - 4c
2017 - Mainstream desktop - 8c
2019 - Mainstream desktop - 16c

Open a window and get some fresh air. The drugs are affecting your thinking.

 

[r22snapper]

I must stop arguing with idiots. You are not representative of all the people who run the same CPU as yours. Hope now you'll understand!

But one rando on youtube is. Got it.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Just to add to the chorus of people telling you that you're talking rubbish - GTA5 runs superbly on my machine.

8/16 as entry level gaming?! Ridiculous.

Okay so a game from 2014 is proof that todays games only need 4 cores?

 

[Mercutio]

But one rando on youtube is. Got it.

You don't understand.
Only edge case evidence that furthers his narrative is worthy. Everything else is fake news and "idiots arguing".

 

[tamzzy]

2019 - Mainstream desktop - 16c

750USD is not mainstream lol.
no matter if it's on a "mainstream" platform or not...

Basically, AMD is pulling an Nvidia

surprise, surprise...capitalistic company attempting to make profit. as has been said before...
the king is dead, long live the king.
AMD isn't here to placate their fangirls, it's sole aim is to make a profit for its shareholders

 

[CuriousTomCat]

750USD is not mainstream lol.
no matter if it's on a "mainstream" platform or not...

Then surely a 2080ti isn't "mainstream" either

 

[r22snapper]

You don't understand.
Only edge case evidence that furthers his narrative is worthy. Everything else is fake news and "idiots arguing".

Innit. Must dash anyway, I'm off to post 100 replies in the 2080ti thread moaning about how expensive they are.

 

[Matkinson]

Worth buying RAM now or in 2/3 weeks?

 

[Mercutio]

I've seen some UK prices for chips now....

£482 for the 3900X
£380 for the 3800X
£318 for the 3700X
£238 for the 3600X

There from places I'd consider average priced and well established. Can't seem to get their store pages up but it's a price grabber site (one that spies on prices) that seems to have cached them.

2 sites listed, within about £3 of each other on those prices.

Edit: Boards too:
The boards are from one semi shady drop-shipping place though. Generally cheap. Not somewhere I'd normally shop from.

Asrock X570 Taichi: £248.90
MSI MEG X570 Ace: £178.90
MSI MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon Wifi: £178.90
MSI PG X570 Gaming Plus: £135.90
MSI Prestigate X570 Creation: £504.90
MSI MEG X570 Godlike: £721.90
Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming £442.90
Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming £442.90
Asus Prime X570-P £442.90
Asus TUF £442.90

So... £318 + £136 for a basic X570+3700X setup. That... should more or less equal the 9900k for less than the price of the 9900k alone.

Found a shop with it up (I think I've pulled everything that would ID the shop):

 

[r22snapper]

Okay so a game from 2014 is proof that todays games only need 4 cores?

Nope, I was responding to a specific point

 

[tamzzy]

Then surely a 2080ti isn't "mainstream" either

indeed.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

I must stop arguing with idiots. You are not representative of all the people who run the same CPU as yours. Hope now you'll understand!

He might not be representative of everyone running that cpu, but then neither is that video.

If you're going to just argue endlessly with people on this thread, can you at least try and be good at it?