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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Simon Belmont said:
I wish there were no thing as NDA. The whole waiting game is awful. I bought some some of the items I need for my new build and still can't decided if I go AMD or stay with my 8700k? I could save £300 if I just stay on my 8700k. All I need left is a motherboard and a case. If I go AMD Ryzen 3000 I need the mobo,case and new chip. With all the news of high price x570 boards, don't know if it's worth buying a x470 instead which might not be upgradable in the future? There is no firm proof ryzen 4000 with work on x470? I just wish we knew now what the prices are going to be like. :(
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Why upgrade an 8700k unless you really need a lot more multithreaded performance, single core performance will be in the same ball park if you have an OC on the chip.

The whole 'old tech', 'security' is no real risk to a home user and mostly pitch fork mentality.

When the IT department of the blue chip company I work for with a 20bn+ research program start turning hyper threading off it may be time to think again.

Right now they are handing out shiny I7 laptops like candy with affected chips onboard.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec

just had friendly chat with distributor - dont think i'll be getting my hands on a CPU via trade - gone to quick and dont think they'll have enough numbers - due to expecting fast sales unless AMD really have produced A LOT!
resellers might be different but they havent had pricing in yet and expect it to be a little higher then everyone though - Sterling is doing S*** !!!!

hope this isn't the case though and speaking through distribution
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Not entirely sure which channel disti you were speaking to, or if it was just a normal trade re-seller, but stock allocation is plentiful, and most SKU's will be in good supply at your local friendly shop/e-tailer and computer fair etc. You may also be seeing the first appearance of tray parts/non-retail from certain places, or some may even already have them available now, if you know what I mean.

As I have said before some of the X570's are going to be in shorter supply than the actual CPU's, and I don't know if you have noticed but the X470 prices have started going up a few places. :)
 
decto said:
Why upgrade an 8700k unless you really need a lot more multithreaded performance, single core performance will be in the same ball park if you have an OC on the chip.

The whole 'old tech', 'security' is no real risk to a home user and mostly pitch fork mentality.

When the IT department of the blue chip company I work for with a 20bn+ research program start turning hyper threading off it may be time to think again.

Right now they are handing out shiny I7 laptops like candy with affected chips onboard.
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No real risk until it is, then it could be too late and millions of chips become a botnet or something ooglyboogly.
 
I dont think organisations are going to start turning off HT just yet but if real world attacks come out then... well it may happen.

As for home users completely ignorant of security, yep x100 - i see lots of junk come across my desk from out staff and students and 90% of it is virus/malware - most have no clue and that goes for a lot on this forum as well.
 
@Journey @Plec

Spire - aka Asus lover (larger then VIP and Target)

Think with them, is.. they have small shops wanting to buy 50 units , and then there's me. Wanting on.
Asus tell them, where there stock is going to ! Lol

And with x470/B450 ... Nothing to stop sellers increasing the price. I have a feeling ram is going to follow. Resellers would be stupid not too !
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Journey @Plec

Spire - aka Asus lover (larger then VIP and Target)

Think with them, is.. they have small shops wanting to buy 50 units , and then there's me. Wanting on.
Asus tell them, where there stock is going to ! Lol

And with x470/B450 ... Nothing to stop sellers increasing the price. I have a feeling ram is going to follow. Resellers would be stupid not too !
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What RAM? All speeds or just 3600+?
 
robfosters said:
What RAM? All speeds or just 3600+?
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Conjecture at the moment @robfosters - but always a possibility. But, we all have the aftertaste of recent memory prices so hopefully they'll resist.

orbitalwalsh said:
[x470/B450 ... Nothing to stop sellers increasing the price. I have a feeling ram is going to follow. Resellers would be stupid not too !
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Would hope just less sale prices, rather than gouging when considering recent history memory prices.

But, as you hint at, if the demand is there...
 
Plec said:
Conjecture at the moment @robfosters - but always a possibility. But, we all have the aftertaste of recent memory prices so hopefully they'll resist.


Would hope just less sale prices, rather than gouging when considering recent history memory prices.

But, as you hint at, if the demand is there...
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I’m wondering if I should buy my RAM now, just in case.
 
robfosters said:
I’ve actually set my heart on the Hyper X predator RGB RAM. Currently £110 for 16GB.
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Well, i'm normally very against buying components early - especially if you can't test - but memory has lifetime warranty. I can't see prices radically dropping - perhaps a small sale(?) - so you have slight risk of buyers remorse (but equally prices could go up, due to opportunist pricing/gouging - but again conjecture).

The only real risk/issue buying early would be if you had a dodgy stick - some places only allow 14 days for swap out, but others 30 days...
 
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Zeed said:
But is 1.2 enough for overclocking ?? Remember that screenshot from 16 core ?? 1.425 same az zen 1
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Ross Thomson said:
the overclocked 16 core showed 245w and 151A at a stupid voltage.
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Zeed said:
1.425 You call stupid ?? Thats my DAILY but 12nm hhahaah
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Potatowithearsontheside said:
My crude math says 245/151 = 1.623V
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https://i.imgur.com/3DXh99I.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tJkJrE5.jpg

4.10 GHz @ 1.428 V * 147.569 A = 210.529 W + I/O die
4.25 GHz @ 1.572 V would be around 265.514 watts + I/O die.


humbug said:
I don't care and it doesn't matter, this benchmark could and i think actually is something that is heavily Intel slanted, how that translates into real world applications and games is not a story told by this, the only idea you could get is if you know how its preceding architecture did in applications and games and then compare that in a benchmark such as this, only then might you get an idea of how it performs in the real world, Zen+ had very similar IPC to Coffeelake (in this case 8600K) in real world applications and games.
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This is why with Geekbench, I only ever pay attention to the individual scores for each of the tests, and never the main score. And yes, it has been in favor of Intel's architectures (much like PassMark), so seeing any sort of win here is a bigger deal than one might think.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
I dont think organisations are going to start turning off HT just yet but if real world attacks come out then... well it may happen.

As for home users completely ignorant of security, yep x100 - i see lots of junk come across my desk from out staff and students and 90% of it is virus/malware - most have no clue and that goes for a lot on this forum as well.
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As I understand, the machine needs to be compromised before these attacks can take place, so pretty much game over already.
I don't see these significantly increasing the attack surface, but they are a potential additional way for a hacker to gain sensitive data. I see more risk in data centre, VPS etc where users have near root access and share CPU's.

I'd agreee, there is a theoretical risk, but I'm not about to start replacing all my intel CPU's and scrapping devices on a 'what if'. I may as well scrap windows + android if I'm taking that path, not to mention those Chinese Wifi plugs I put on the guest network.

With an 8700k, I'd buy a motherboard and run it a little longer rather than swap the full platform.
More change is coming, Zen 3 will be here in around 12 months, Intel 10nm may well be too.

Would I go out and buy a new intel chip and board? Well that depends on how sensitive the data is.
For the kids gaming, absolutely, if it was the value/performance option.

For my main system, probably - again based on value/performance. I run paid AV, I'm very fussy on what gets installed and I use VM's for isolation which are spun up for short periods as needed, some even reside on another 'server' PC.

I guess I'm not a typical user... or an Intel fanboy as I'm likely to buy a 3900X and X570 :D
 
decto said:
As I understand, the machine needs to be compromised before these attacks can take place, so pretty much game over already.
I don't see these significantly increasing the attack surface, but they are a potential additional way for a hacker to gain sensitive data. I see more risk in data centre, VPS etc where users have near root access and share CPU's.

I'd agreee, there is a theoretical risk, but I'm not about to start replacing all my intel CPU's and scrapping devices on a 'what if'. I may as well scrap windows + android if I'm taking that path, not to mention those Chinese Wifi plugs I put on the guest network.

With an 8700k, I'd buy a motherboard and run it a little longer rather than swap the full platform.
More change is coming, Zen 3 will be here in around 12 months, Intel 10nm may well be too.

Would I go out and buy a new intel chip and board? Well that depends on how sensitive the data is.
For the kids gaming, absolutely, if it was the value/performance option.

For my main system, probably - again based on value/performance. I run paid AV, I'm very fussy on what gets installed and I use VM's for isolation which are spun up for short periods as needed, some even reside on another 'server' PC.

I guess I'm not a typical user... or an Intel fanboy as I'm likely to buy a 3900X and X570 :D
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Amd security Vulnerabilities = 15
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-7043/AMD.html
Intel security Vulnerabilities = 234
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-238/Intel.html

Bye
 
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