AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[jigger]

There is only one saviour for intel and it's to strip the iGPU and substitute it with normal cores. An eight-core can suddenly become a sixteen-core within the same transistor and die budget.

Intel should have done that years ago. And not abandoned the desktop design years before that. Intels only option now is the graphics market.

 

[StriderX]

9900K die.



At most literally 4 spaces for cores, so only up to 12. This thing would ******* melt if it was anymore than it currently is.

 

[Robert896r1]

9900K die.



At most literally 4 spaces for cores, so only up to 12. This thing would ******* melt if it was anymore than it currently is.

There's an older video where buildzoid does a great job of explaining the heat issue with the 9900k and how the GPU die removal and adding more cores isn't going to help anything and make things worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLVzRY27A-I

 

[Journey]

surely you guys can't think that argument is actually valid?

I don't even read the drivel, so can't confirm what it is posting about.

I only know how things work from an manufacturing and development side of things, version control, revision control, and ultimately product control account for huge sums of money in the computing segment. As an example, there are still systems we need to build that use the i7-2600, which was launched in Q1 '11, yet only discontinued in Feb '18, and our last delivery will be in September of this year, and they cost an absolute fortune because we have to have them.

 

[smilingcrow]

You can't compare prices at End Of Life discounts.

Companies are competing not just with their competitors but also with their own product range.
The people who picked up a 2700 for £160 recently must have been smiling when they saw the pricing of the 3000 range.
The pragmatic view is that you compare prices at the time of purchase and why care what the launch price was as it's no longer relevant!
The recent deep cuts on the Ryzen series 1 and 2 chips seems like a self inflicted wound if they were due to AMD's discounts rather than being wholesaler led.
Either way, it clearly damages the sense that Zen 2 is good value in one sense as many people on these threads have expressed one way or another.
Still good value compared to Intel of course, well maybe not so much if they do discount, but against previous generation recent AMD deals they seem poor value at 8C and below.
For 12C and above they are still a steal though.

 

[kaiserc]

New 3600 (4.15GHz) Geekbench with 3733 ram
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13631495

Single-Core Score
5716
Multi-Core Score
29990

that's at 4.15, i have seen 4.4 on other recent geekbenches

 

[N19h7m4r3]

New 3600 (4.15GHz) Geekbench with 3733 ram
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13631495

Single-Core Score
5716
Multi-Core Score
29990

that's at 4.15, i have seen 4.4 on other recent geekbenches

These were with 2133Mhz Memory - so 3733Mhz gives one hell of a boost!

2700X
Single-Core Score
4410
Multi-Core Score
22546

3800X
Single-Core Score
5406
Multi-Core Score
34059

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13607469?baseline=13567135

Looking forward to see the 3900X with 3733Mhz

 

[humbug]

New 3600 (4.15GHz) Geekbench with 3733 ram
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13631495

Single-Core Score
5716
Multi-Core Score
29990

that's at 4.15, i have seen 4.4 on other recent geekbenches

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13637109?baseline=13631495

2600 @ 4.2Ghz
ST: 4877
MT: 24421

3600 @ 4.15Ghz
ST: 5716 (+17%)
MT: 29990 (+23%)

 

[kaiserc]

The Ryzen 5 3600 is little monster.

 

[G J]

I'm not sure how to read the results but finally someone did a bench run with some fast RAM.

Edit: Thanks @humbug

 

[carbide]

looking very promising.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13631495?baseline=11508223

pretty much equal to my Haswell @ 4.8, and the multicore score scales pretty linearly too

 

[humbug]

The 2600 is what i could find on Geekbench, if anything the score looks a little high in comparison to N19h7m4r3 2700X which should boost about 4.2Ghz ST.

Either way, its a huge boost in IPC compared to Zen+, around 20%.

 

[MyBrainz]

@humbug My 2700X 4.2Ghz with 8 Pack 3200Mhz RAM > https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13633228

 

[N19h7m4r3]

looking very promising.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13631495?baseline=11508223

pretty much equal to my Haswell @ 4.8, and the multicore score scales pretty linearly too

My Haswell-e is at a little 4.0Ghz, and that 3600 is slapping it around!

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13631495?baseline=13641859

I'm looking at a pretty decent upgrading getting a 3900X!

 

[humbug]

@humbug My 2700X 4.2Ghz with 8 Pack 3200Mhz RAM > https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13633228

Thank's, that's about a 15% difference at 4.15Ghz

MT is about the same but you have 2 more cores.

 

[carbide]

think the haswell E would benefit a fair bit from higher mem bandwidth, but yest, it's amazing performance considering the different market segments.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13495867?baseline=13631495

Gives an impression of scaling. Although, we don't know clock speeds.

Also looking at the proposition of a 3900x, as far as pricing/resources, they seem to be the end of the scale before 'best of the best' tax kicks in

 

[N19h7m4r3]

think the haswell E would benefit a fair bit from higher mem bandwidth, but yest, it's amazing performance considering the different market segments.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13495867?baseline=13631495

Gives an impression of scaling. Although, we don't know clocks so...

My X99 with 2400Mhz has less memory bandwidth than the 3600 with 3733Mhz.

40.9 GB/s vs 44.6 GB/s.

That's pretty decent for a dual channel system.

 

[4K8KW10]

Companies are competing not just with their competitors but also with their own product range.
The people who picked up a 2700 for £160 recently must have been smiling when they saw the pricing of the 3000 range.
The pragmatic view is that you compare prices at the time of purchase and why care what the launch price was as it's no longer relevant!
The recent deep cuts on the Ryzen series 1 and 2 chips seems like a self inflicted wound if they were due to AMD's discounts rather than being wholesaler led.
Either way, it clearly damages the sense that Zen 2 is good value in one sense as many people on these threads have expressed one way or another.

Don't bother to explain them. They the trolls are the only who will buy at the inflated prices and be happy with it.

 

[humbug]

think the haswell E would benefit a fair bit from higher mem bandwidth, but yest, it's amazing performance considering the different market segments.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13495867?baseline=13631495

Gives an impression of scaling. Although, we don't know clocks so...

Max frequency on that is 4.3Ghz https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13495867

ST 5868 (+3%) the score difference matches the frequency difference, roughly.


Imagine it with a 4.6Ghz ST boost, like the 3900X

It would score 6300.

 

[TrixX]

Don't bother to explain them. They the trolls are the only who will buy at the inflated prices and be happy with it.

Considering your rabid defense earlier, this is quite the amusing change of heart. Sorry you don't like the pricing. However the problem seems to be your end.

Oh and comparing current sale prices of 1xxx and 2xxx Ryzen's vs 3xxx launch price is just ridiculous. If you are looking at saving a buck and don't need the advantages of a Ryzen 3xxx, you aren't in the bloody market for one are you. It's not bloody rocket science.