AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[orbitalwalsh]

I ended up getting a CH7 Hero, I have a feeling high end X570 will be very expensive.

will tip toe on ice, I dread to see the pricing of the asus formula ! by 40%-50% mark up looks likely at the very top end ... 18% bottom end of the scale. ITX actually makes for the best pricing

 

[Nghtmare]

And that is why you shouldn’t leave a PC on unattended.

Lucky it wasn’t on overnight and him & family asleep upstairs!

How can that happen by not cleaning the dust often? I clean mine often but was not aware the PC can just catch fire because its dirty.

 

[Thekwango]

It's a placebo, the faster reactions and godlike aim makes it feel like it's more FPS but if you have an FPS counter you'll see it doesn't change. You're just becoming one with the pc and headshotting without thinking. I almost agree with the whiners on CSGO, my RGB lights stopped working and now I couldn't hit the back end of a donkey with a shovel. It's too OP, and I think Valve and the others need to add RGB software to the anti cheats

i think it was NASA carried out tests which disproved the placebo affect of rgb. results from their test proved without doubt that the more rbg (up to a certain point) the higher the fps in certain games. from memory once you reach about 1000000 lumens of rgbness the fps increases plateau and don't increase any further. it's all in the report NASA produced.

Spoiler

just for clairity i'm talking utter bs - please don't anyone believe this! NASA would never be invloved in such a study - it was Monsanto (everything gets blamed on them, right?)

 

[Thekwango]

Looks like you could just polish that out tbh.

carbon fibre wrapping on the case and it'll look like new. lotta fuss over nothing if you ask me!

 

[EsaT]

wouldn't personally run 12 core on B450 - specially if your going to overclock it

Considering AMD is more honest than Intel in TDPs, B450I Gaming Plus certainly has good enough VRM for some overclocking with 6x IR3555

B450-I ROG Strix Gaming with 6x IR3553 and properly done four phases of B450 Carbon surely don't leave that much extra room.
Really crazy that best VRM of B450 is in ITX-mobo...

 

[Thekwango]

How can that happen by not cleaning the dust often?

fine dust particles can be highly combustible depending on their makeup. the finer they are the easier they are to ignite.

 

[Thekwango]

Really crazy that best VRM of B450 is in ITX-mobo...

mind me asking which one specifically? i really don't want a full fat atx board anymore (i've no need and the bottom inch is blocked off by a rad and fans anyway)

 

[pcfarrar]

New Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor Sisoft benchmark result:

https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...d5e2daeedce8dff98bb686a0c5a09dad8bf8c5fd&l=en

 

[StarShock]

i think it was NASA carried out tests which disproved the placebo affect of rgb. results from their test proved without doubt that the more rbg (up to a certain point) the higher the fps in certain games. from memory once you reach about 1000000 lumens of rgbness the fps increases plateau and don't increase any further. it's all in the report NASA produced.

Spoiler

just for clairity i'm talking utter bs - please don't anyone believe this! NASA would never be invloved in such a study - it was Monsanto (everything gets blamed on them, right?)

There's so much misinformation about this subject, it beggars belief. The RGB stimulates your irises so that they can open and close faster. Otherwise you can only see at 30 fps.

 

[tamzzy]

Considering AMD is more honest than Intel in TDPs, B450I Gaming Plus certainly has good enough VRM for some overclocking with 6x IR3555

B450-I ROG Strix Gaming with 6x IR3553 and properly done four phases of B450 Carbon surely don't leave that much extra room.
Really crazy that best VRM of B450 is in ITX-mobo...

I know right.
6*60A in the msi b450i
2(4)* 40A in the msi b450 gaming AC/Asus b450 strix-e

 

[EsaT]

Guys.... REMEMBER TO CLEAN DUST FROM PC's or this can be YOU..... One year old LG OLED TV...... I guess My mate will be having unexpected Zen2 upgrade.... Lucky that it was just bstarting to burn when he came back from work or would have torched whole house !!!!

That case sure had badly designed restrictive meshes, but to get that hot...
And looks like all that plastics did its job well.

Looking at condition of PSU, it likely didn't have anything to do with fire, or it should be more burnt.
But those SATA cables and lower front of the case look really well burnt.
I wonder if there was loose contact in connector which shorted.
SATA power connectors have been known to melt easily.

Dust + someone who smokes or vapes, can cause a gross, and very flammable goop to build up inside the PSU etc. PSU overheats, and the goop sets on fire, then it just spreads using dust, hair etc.

Have seen some horrible insides in CRT TVs from bars etc.
Enough dust on top of PCB to look like felt and then all that cancer roll gunk...

PSU's have a thermal shutdown. and that one looks fine.

Indeed starting spot of fire usually has plenty of fire marks.

 

[alec]

fine dust particles can be highly combustible depending on their makeup. the finer they are the easier they are to ignite.

Coal dust was main candidate for early diesel engines. Flour dust in mills has caused many fires and even explosions. Thermite is in essence metal dust.
But no, household dust will not cause your PC to catch fire. Overheat and make noise, yes.
The density of those particles must be in specific range for self-sustaining burn. And something must ignite it the first place.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Considering AMD is more honest than Intel in TDPs, B450I Gaming Plus certainly has good enough VRM for some overclocking with 6x IR3555

B450-I ROG Strix Gaming with 6x IR3553 and properly done four phases of B450 Carbon surely don't leave that much extra room.
Really crazy that best VRM of B450 is in ITX-mobo...

AMD... honest, wait for rx5700 and fact they are lip tight about x570 pricing . AMD as bad as Intel . they all are bad enough . AMD NDA lands you in more hot trouble too!

Strix I is 6x IR 3553 as you stated, 40 amps each - 240 amps across vcore, 125c max
Aorus I is 4x IR 3556, 50 Amps each and runs cooler - 200 amps across vcore , 125c max
MSI I is same as the Strix - 240 amps...

all there VRM heatsink.... yeah.... why asus and aorus use 70a TDA with new ITX - not just for power but they are able to run something like 20c cooler then IR versions. but at 400% cost per unit, to be expected $0.9 vs $4

ALL have single 8 pin- so no 16 cores if your going to overclock - i wouldn't personally .


AMD are honest with TDP with how their PCU work out of the box at default conditions or boosts. Plug them in the Meg or Xtreme with enough Power via dual 8 pins and VRMs to cool a powerplant and it'll take anything it can get with auto Overclocking .
Never believe until reviewers get it out of the box


as you've mentioned, B450 Carbon AC is a good board for 8 Core ryzen, they'll sell fast! and theres ENOUGH ROOM for prices to be increased....

 

[alec]

New Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor Sisoft benchmark result:

https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...d5e2daeedce8dff98bb686a0c5a09dad8bf8c5fd&l=en

Nice. Any comparison to 9900K and 2700X?

 

[EsaT]

mind me asking which one specifically? i really don't want a full fat atx board anymore (i've no need and the bottom inch is blocked off by a rad and fans anyway)

MSI B450I Gaming Plus
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

With proper heatsink not covered by plastic crap that Vcore VRM is pretty darn good.
(SOC VRM again isn't that well cooled for some APU)

 

[d_brennen]

Coal dust was main candidate for early diesel engines. Flour dust in mills has caused many fires and even explosions. Thermite is in essence metal dust.
But no, household dust will not cause your PC to catch fire. Overheat and make noise, yes.
The density of those particles must be in specific range for self-sustaining burn. And something must ignite it the first place.

If dusty PC fires were common, the building I am in would have burnt down dozens of times by now. The one and only computer related "fire" was some magic smoke release by an end of life laptop PSU which had been run over one two many times by a fat chick on a swivel chair

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@EsaT makes me laugh how the x370 boards had 4 vrms plus for SoC hahaha

Only thing I cant find out or 2 lazy to is PCB layers . Aorus b450 is 8 as was based on Z390, not sure if Strix and MSI ITX are 6/8 layers

again, ITX shows up ATX with X570 line up, cheaper too...

 

[pcfarrar]

Nice. Any comparison to 9900K and 2700X?

Just a quick comparison from browsing the database.

i9900K:

Multi-Media Integer 1095.56Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 467.95Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 7.58Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 1065.02Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 632.94Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 25.51Mpix/s

Ryzen 2700X:

Multi-Media Integer 570.09Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 193.88Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 5.87Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 609.39Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 344.77Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 15.84Mpix/s


Ryzen 3900X:

Multi-Media Integer 1480.27Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 562.00Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 9.70Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 1515.27Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 922.04Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 35.83Mpix/s

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Just a quick comparison from browsing the database.

i9900K:

Multi-Media Integer 1095.56Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 467.95Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 7.58Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 1065.02Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 632.94Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 25.51Mpix/s

Ryzen 2700X:

Multi-Media Integer 570.09Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 193.88Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 5.87Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 609.39Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 344.77Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 15.84Mpix/s


Ryzen 3900X:

Multi-Media Integer 1480.27Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int 562.00Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 9.70Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float 1515.27Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float 922.04Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float 35.83Mpix/s

3900x here i come.......

 

[Nghtmare]

For the ones getting the 3900X, is it because you need all 12 cores, or because you can afford it and you just want the "best"? I ask because I want to get the 3900X but I might settle for the 3800X since I don't think I am ever going to need all 12 cores unless games start using them some time soon.