AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Murphy]

How come we've had PCIE 3.0 for what seems like a lifetime but PCIE4 will be replaced by 5 so quickly?

Probably because they use PCIe for inter-socket communication so pushing ahead with faster PCIe links improves things for HPC users, IDK what Intel uses so don't know how it compares but the enterprise space is really Zen's target market, it's where the big profits are.

 

[DragonQ]

Wanted to write the same. It's just crazy, who would need to pay twice the price for PCIE 4.0 2TB SSD as compared to an ordinary 2TB SSD when in real terms the difference will be hardly noticeable unless tested in synthetic benchmarks? Also, why would you pay a hundreds of pounds more for a motherboard with PCIE 4.0, what can justify such an increase in price? Nothing at all, it's just pure rip off. If it was say £50 quid more expensive than the previous gen motherboard of comparable performance segment I would say OK.

Indeed, I'm much more looking forward to transferring data between my desktop and server at up to 1 GB/s with 10 GbE.

However, I think £50 is pretty close to the premium we'll see with lower end X570 boards. Obviously the halo products are stupidly expensive but the normal ones won't be quite so much of a bump over X470 (for comparable features & VRM quality) I don't think. Could be wrong but we'll see...

 

[DragonQ]

Any one editing 4k video would want it but for your average consumer / gamer then the PCIE X4 ssd's are not going to show any benefit. Hence why I picked up a Samsung evo pro for a good price last week.

Ha, I've been sitting on my 970 EVO since Black Friday!

 

[DragonQ]

But NVME cuts down on a disgusting wire and huge piece of flappy metal, absolute need.

Is storage M.2 affordable yet though? I'll have a boot + application M.2 drive but also a 2 TB SATA SSD for games and a 4 TB HDD for recordings/scratch/misc. Not sure I'd bother putting all that on 1-2 M.2 SSDs.

 

[Gee]

Crucial P1 NVME's can be picked up for around £95 for 1TB. It will need a heatsink on the controller though as they do get toasty.

There's a tech-deals channel on the OcUK (unofficial) discord. Always good storage deals in there

 

[brightside229]

Is storage M.2 affordable yet though? I'll have a boot + application M.2 drive but also a 2 TB SATA SSD for games and a 4 TB HDD for recordings/scratch/misc. Not sure I'd bother putting all that on 1-2 M.2 SSDs.

I have bought a 1tb adata xpg sx8200 pro, cost me less than £125 which i feel is a bargain for price/performance/size I am coming from a WD 10k raptor drive which is 120gb in size, i believe they came out in 2004... so its done me well for around 15 years!! The performance is going to be amazing compared with current drive. Unfortunately i cant use it yet until i get a new x570 board and ryzen cpu!

 

[Nghtmare]

Yep, my Zen2 build will be NVMe for both OS and storage drives.

Tidy.

Same I use a 250GB 960 Evo for OS and a 1TB Corsair MP510 for the rest of the stuff.

 

[DragonQ]

Crucial P1 NVME's can be picked up for around £95 for 1TB. It will need a heatsink on the controller though as they do get toasty.

There's a tech-deals channel on the OcUK (unofficial) discord. Always good storage deals in there

My games SSD already has ~1.5TB on it so I'd need a larger than 2 TB SSD if I was to keep everything on one disk. Not a fan of uninstalling and reinstalling stuff when I want it.

 

[LoopyOrc]

My games SSD already has ~1.5TB on it so I'd need a larger than 2 TB SSD if I was to keep everything on one disk. Not a fan of uninstalling and reinstalling stuff when I want it.

Same here, my current set up of 256 SSD + 500 SSD + 2TB mech just has me game juggling with how big games are these days. With the new set up I get when I jump from a 4670k to 3700X i'm going to make everything solid state/NVMe.

 

[Zeed]

GAMECACHE jesus that music

What reminds me of good quake soundtracks!!!

 

[HeX]

 

[robfosters]

I’m never gonna have anything else but M2 again.

 

[Kelt]

Gotta Get me some GameCache!

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@Plec any use to you ?

 

[awaybreaktoday]

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This is a Ryzen 3000 thread, please post ryzen prices instead..

 

[chrcoluk]

It does compromise latency by just pumping mhz.

Yep.

Could you imagine though 30 GB/s M2 drives on PCIE 5.0 4x slots in Raid 0, that's DDR4 bandwidth...

ok that has a practical purpose in theory, some kind of scratch virtual memory device although I expect the latency would still be massively inferior to ram, but thumbs up still tho as that is a practical use case.

 

[willhub]

So won't a 3700x work with 3200mhz ram?

 

[StriderX]

Yep.


ok that has a practical purpose in theory, some kind of scratch virtual memory device although I expect the latency would still be massively inferior to ram, but thumbs up still tho as that is a practical use case.

I'm sure there's potential in games at some point, even if the latency is awful, it can still be used in maybe long distance loading before the data moves to the RAM to be used.

But that's years and years away, so whatever, probably more enterprise functionality before then.

 

[opethdisciple]

Sounds like this is why they are gonna market the x570 mobo at expensive prices. The better the mobo the better your PBO. (dependant on heat of course)

Also note the use of the word 'enthusiast' when he talks about these products.

To me it sounds like the x570 boards are not here just to replace x470. But rather they are an entire performance tier above x470.

 

[Journey]

Yep.


ok that has a practical purpose in theory, some kind of scratch virtual memory device although I expect the latency would still be massively inferior to ram, but thumbs up still tho as that is a practical use case.

As I said earlier in response to the poster, I've already configured a RAM disk made up of 4x Samsung 970 Pro's running at 12.3 GB/s on TR4 setup, using it to stream data directly from PCI-E connected devices to the disk(s), it needs to be faster in MB/s latency wasn't great but that is what 3DXpoint and ZNAND is for.