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On this gen as a whole overclocking headroom is limited on core.

With these cpu to get all the perf you also need strong infinity fabric then run 1:1 divider high.

I don't understand, i never did expect a lot of overclocking head room, CPU's these days seem to be pushed near the limits with only 1 or 2 of the cores boosting high, if Ryzen 2000 is anything to go by you're lucky to get the maximum single core boost on all cores by overclocking, is that what you're talking about?


How many CPUs have allowed say the +200MHz offset to frequency curve?
 
Well, do you need a 12 core CPU? if all you do is game and some lite productivity stuff the 3600/3700 is more than enough.

CPU's at the high end always have been expensive but nothing like as expensive per core as they used to be, 3 years ago a 10 CPU would have set you back £1600, now you can get a 12 core for £500, i think that's a huge development.

If your looking for the progress and what you get for your money I wouldnt disagree with you, I think that's rather good development. But if your looking at it purely from a per tier segment the prices have gone nuts... 300 quid for a 5820k on what was a HEDT platform comparible in price to a then top of the line consumer CPU in what was the 4770k/4790k. Now we're on 16threaded consumer platforms with prices comparible again no doubt to bottom end thrradripper platform albeit at roughly 100% more cost. ( Not taking into account inflation , leave that to someone else ) it doesn't put me off in today's land of lavish but it does make me sit back and think ...

Edit - as to needing 12 core ... In all honesty I'm Getting on fine with 8 but is everything we want something we need ? Enthusiasts aren't always known for matching specs to use case

Only reason I diddnt buy a 2080ti is because I'm still at 1080p and have massive bottlenecks in certain games even at 144hz... CPU lacks the grunt.
 
Make sure you update to the latest BIOS, in order to not suffer from 'efficiency' issues. :)

http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7B85v17M.zip

2. This BIOS fixes the following problem of the previous version:
- Update AMD ComboPI1.0.0.3
- Support Ryzen 3000 series CPU.
- Change BIOS UI to GSE-Lite mode.

Seems like MSI are running out of space on the BIOS chips due to the addition of new microcodes as they downgraded the UEFI BIOS UI.
 
If your looking for the progress and what you get for your money I wouldnt disagree with you, I think that's rather good development. But if your looking at it purely from a per tier segment the prices have gone nuts... 300 quid for a 5820k on what was a HEDT platform comparible in price to a then top of the line consumer CPU in what was the 4770k/4790k. Now we're on 16threaded consumer platforms with prices comparible again no doubt to bottom end thrradripper platform albeit at roughly 100% more cost. ( Not taking into account inflation , leave that to someone else ) it doesn't put me off in today's land of lavish but it does make me sit back and think ...


My argument to that would be why didn't you get an i7 6950X back in the day? because of it's stupid price, so you got the best that you thought was a reasonable amount of money to spend on a CPU, this is no different, and it looks like at the low end you're getting an 8700K / 9700K at around £200.

Just set a budget and buy whatever is in that range, don't worry about the snobbery of having to have whats best in class, it didn't bother you before, whatever you buy you're getting a great chip for a lot less than you would on the other side, that for me is the beauty of this launch.
 
Equivalent annual discounted cost of replacing a $200 chip every two years vs. a $750 chip every 8 years. Assumes a load of stuff - pick apart / ignore at your leisure!

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So the 3900X replaced every five years will end up having an annual cost of around ££60-65. Perfectly acceptable to me.
 
I am... I am not giving perf data or figures I am saying not much variability so far.

I did a pretty interesting test today 1080p Valley, Heaven and 3d Mark, 2080ti. 3600 at 4.1ghz 3600c16 vs 9900k 4.1ghz, 2 cores disabled and 3600c16.

Ofcourse can't share result yet....
 
Fair point, but depending on how old your BIOS version is, you may be missing out on some performance! The newer ones come with better memory compatibility for the most part, so you may be able to quicken that ram up ;)

Actually that’s a good point and was another question I had. Currently running the good old Corsair LPX 3200 CL16 on the standard XMP profile which has been solid since it was built. Is there much mileage in trying to tighten the timings now, or indeed once the 3000 CPU is in given it’s likely got a stronger IMC?
 
I am... I am not giving perf data or figures I am saying not much variability so far.

I did a pretty interesting test today 1080p Valley, Heaven and 3d Mark, 2080ti. 3600 at 4.1ghz 3600c16 vs 9900k 4.1ghz, 2 cores disabled and 3600c16.

Ofcourse can't share result yet....


You tease, my guess is the 9900K won, but not by much.
 
I am... I am not giving perf data or figures I am saying not much variability so far.

I did a pretty interesting test today 1080p Valley, Heaven and 3d Mark, 2080ti. 3600 at 4.1ghz 3600c16 vs 9900k 4.1ghz, 2 cores disabled and 3600c16.

Ofcourse can't share result yet....

If you do have AMD CPUs, any chance you could test them out on CEMU so we can get a decent measure of the IPC increase in single threaded performance?
 
3200c16 hynix so don't offer a great deal of tuning options. Ofcourse test but Samsung b die by far the most flexible ic.

3600c16 8Pack, 4000c18 no issues for me on all x570 boards thus far.
 
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