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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

I was seriously considering upgrading from my [email protected]/4.25 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 but I'm definitely waiting until 2020. The only way to stop
this madness is to refuse to bite. I'll give it 12-16 weeks then review options but I'm not spending £280-£300 on a mobo. They can make all they like
but I'm not buying until they're a sensible price.
 
I had originally planned on getting the 3900X and set aside £~300 for mobo and looking at everything, it's way overkill for my use.
I could easily save myself hundreds when I decide to pull the trigger I guess.
I seem to upgrade a system every 6-8 years so price per year doesn't feel so bad for me where as I can see where the massive uptake in prices makes it a hard pill to swallow if you upgrade parts regularly.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
No matter what the reviews will say on Monday some (on the competitors payroll no doubt) will complain and say its not enough.
But lets look at what we have so far.
Core counts going from 6 to 16 cores on cheep (supposedly) consumer boards.
A big jump in IPC, some benches showing more than 15%
Increased clocks, the 12 core part can boost to 4.7Ghz which is quite a jump over the previous gen (stock at least)
A brand new innovative construction (chiplets)
PCIe4 and other new tech supported.
Decent power and heat and no major security problems we know about.

All this is quite a major jump over last years chips, we have not seen this kind of action for a very long time so its understandable that folk are excited.
If all you do is play games then well you aint going to care, but that doesnt mean this is a crap launch.
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Yet the one aspect involving mobo makers and they decide that their part justifies ridiculous pricing.
Lets not forget that even AMD said that PCIE4 off the CPU could reach most mobo x16 slot, and likely M2 too.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
No matter what the reviews will say on Monday some (on the competitors payroll no doubt) will complain and say its not enough.
But lets look at what we have so far.
Core counts going from 6 to 16 cores on cheep (supposedly) consumer boards.
A big jump in IPC, some benches showing more than 15%
Increased clocks, the 12 core part can boost to 4.7Ghz which is quite a jump over the previous gen (stock at least)
A brand new innovative construction (chiplets)
PCIe4 and other new tech supported.
Decent power and heat and no major security problems we know about.

All this is quite a major jump over last years chips, we have not seen this kind of action for a very long time so its understandable that folk are excited.
If all you do is play games then well you aint going to care, but that doesnt mean this is a crap launch.
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You say some good things there, but it makes me think how bad this last gen (2700x e.t.c) actually was, if it needs + 15% IPC and 500mhz on the core and a brand new chiplet tech to just about compete with intel.
I then remember this hype for the 2xxxx series and now see it wasn't warranted either. sorry if i sound negative but I follow all this and get involved constantly into the tech hype, but im starting to realise some things.
 
It's only competing in one task, it's obliterating otherwise and at sensible temps, unlike the nuclear bomb that is the 9900k.

So yes, it's a bit meh for gaming hypu, but it was always going to be just that.
 
Motherboard prices seem insane but no one is making anyone buy anything! This is the bleeding edge of PC gaming and that is often lost of people. Few people need this new hardware but we do want it, myself included :D.

I built a new build for my middle child last week that (bad timing but it is his birthday) that 95% of average PC gamers would be very happy with for just over £700. Ryzen 2600 @ 4Ghz, 16gb Hyper X 3200 ram, 512gb m2 nvme, RTX 2060, MSI B450 Carbon Pro AC, Corsair 550w psu. It eats up 1080p gaming for fun and does a great job at 1440p.

The idea that decent PC gaming is unobtainable is rubbish!

With all that said i'll likely get an 8 or 12 core Ryzen on Sunday and pay through the nose for a motherboard. Don't need, just want :D
 
Illuminist said:
You say some good things there, but it makes me think how bad this last gen (2700x e.t.c) actually was, if it needs + 15% IPC and 500mhz on the core and a brand new chiplet tech to just about compete with intel.
I then remember this hype for the 2xxxx series and now see it wasn't warranted either. sorry if i sound negative but I follow all this and get involved constantly into the tech hype, but im starting to realise some things.
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Chiplets aren't needed to compete. They are there to dominate.
 
err zen+ is a few percent behind coffeelake in ipc clock for clock. Intel have clock speed to keep its nose ahead, soon to be corrected by zen 2.
 
Will Overclockers update the bios for me if i buy an X470 board? If not all this talk about older boards is pointless for the countless number of peole coming from intel systems!
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
I swear the last 100 pages have been constant moaning about the price of a motherboard people don't need. Just wait for a B550 or buy an x470.

Who honestly gives a crap about PCIE4? It's probably not even needed to run the new navi cards, which lets be honest, are overpriced inadequately cooled crap.
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Do we know if any x470 boards are being boxed up with Zen 2 compatible bios yet? Or are likely to in the near future? I imagine the faff of borrowing a last gen CPU will put off many.
 
Er the 2700 ... bad???
I think you are just looking for ways to put Zen in the shade.
The previous 2 generations of Zen have been great, ok both could have had improvements but every piece of silicon ever has.

Zen2 is not just competing with intel, it will likely be ahead when the dust settles.
There is no doubt the 3900 and 3950 will humiliate intels lower end HEDT and upper end desktop platforms.
the 3800 and 3800x will compete with the 9900k no problem and the 3800x is likely going to end up the faster chip down the line.
The low end desktop from AMD takes a shotgun to intels low end and also seems to be able to juke it out with the 8700k as well a part much more expensive.

So..??? i think your realisations need a realignment, this will be a good release and a great addition to the pc world.
 
Also these x570 i suspect strongly are over engineered to support the next 4700x 4800x 4900x 4950x cpus that will probably be max of 24 cores and start at 8
 
As Zeed points out buying a £200 to £300 motherboard makes no sense with a £190 Ryzen 5 3600 or even a £230~£240 Ryzen 5 3600X and we only need to look at some of the sales figures from large German retailers to show these level of models are popular.It will be B450 and X470 motherboards for these CPUs,so it makes zero sense for motherboard companies to not at least make these CPUs work properly at stock. Ultimately it is upto AMD to make sure its partners do this,otherwise it reflects badly on them,and its also their fault since they don't even have the B550 ready for launch. All we hear is maybe end of the year for it.
 
Illuminist said:
You say some good things there, but it makes me think how bad this last gen (2700x e.t.c) actually was, if it needs + 15% IPC and 500mhz on the core and a brand new chiplet tech to just about compete with intel.
I then remember this hype for the 2xxxx series and now see it wasn't warranted either. sorry if i sound negative but I follow all this and get involved constantly into the tech hype, but im starting to realise some things.
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Serious people think a ryzen 2 will outperform a company that had clock speed and ipc for years (Intel) top cpu for half the price (ryzen). You should ask you this question if you started a pc build why would you buy a 9900k if you can get a 3900x for the same price. Unless you want like 5 a 10 fps more cause you know.

And the IPC and clockspeeds are getting so ridiculous that you will hit a gpu bottleneck instead of cpu bottleneck
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
No matter what the reviews will say on Monday some (on the competitors payroll no doubt) will complain and say its not enough.
But lets look at what we have so far.
Core counts going from 6 to 16 cores on cheep (supposedly) consumer boards.
A big jump in IPC, some benches showing more than 15%
Increased clocks, the 12 core part can boost to 4.7Ghz which is quite a jump over the previous gen (stock at least)
A brand new innovative construction (chiplets)
PCIe4 and other new tech supported.
Decent power and heat and no major security problems we know about.

All this is quite a major jump over last years chips, we have not seen this kind of action for a very long time so its understandable that folk are excited.
If all you do is play games then well you aint going to care, but that doesnt mean this is a crap launch.
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Very good points......

And as I have said all along this is a multicore cpu....

OC take the single core boost - 200mhz you have 24-7 stable clock on 240-360aio cooler. All chips I tried can do this... 3600c16 mems...

Use an old chipset board it's like losing 100mhz on current Bios I tried compared to latest x570.
 
decto said:
For those sku there are plenty of inexpensive B450 / X470 boards to choose from, there is no need to buy X570 at that end of the market. Why pay >100% 'future proof' tax you don't need to.
Launch pricing is always high, then it reduces over time (unless you are intel).
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It's very unsettling for consumers when we're told by AMD that everything will work fine in the old boards, then we find out they are not working to advertised specifications. The mboard devs cba to upgrade the old bios because it will eat into performance targets of the new boards.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
Er the 2700 ... bad???
I think you are just looking for ways to put Zen in the shade.
The previous 2 generations of Zen have been great, ok both could have had improvements but every piece of silicon ever has.

Zen2 is not just competing with intel, it will likely be ahead when the dust settles.
There is no doubt the 3900 and 3950 will humiliate intels lower end HEDT and upper end desktop platforms.
the 3800 and 3800x will compete with the 9900k no problem and the 3800x is likely going to end up the faster chip down the line.
The low end desktop from AMD takes a shotgun to intels low end and also seems to be able to juke it out with the 8700k as well a part much more expensive.

So..??? i think your realisations need a realignment, this will be a good release and a great addition to the pc world.
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I want saying it was bad, hold your horses. I was saying the hype wasn't justified.
The vega was almost as powerful but smashed the competition at compute even on the workstation cards from nv, it seems they echo each other yet the cpus are praised and the gpus not.
The power issue wasn't an issue either
 
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