AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Gtiracer]

still on x370 here, is there much benefit do we think upgrading to x570 motherboard do you think or just do a BIOS update and be done with it? Im thinking possibly 3700x dependant upon price and specs but i think my crosshair board will cope with the newer 3000 series chips anyway.

Currently running a 1700x

 

[beany_bot]

I do feel bad for OCUK of late to be honest. I have options how to spend my money. Retailers HAVE to make money. And it sure aint as easy to sell Nvidia 2xxx cards and X570 mobos as it was Athlon 64 chips.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Ye but AMD's HEDT will be 24-64 cores kinda.

Yes this is where things differ from the past norm, AMD has brought HEDT performance to the mainstream but at the same time pushed proper HEDT far ahead of intels reach (for the now) with the next TR being what?? at least 48 core, possibly 64
These are huge jumps in the pc world, we aint seen this kind of thing since multi core cpu's became a big thing 15 years back.

But best thing is you dont have to be mega minted to get into this as the bigger core monsters in AM4 are relatively cheep compared to what you used to have to cough up. Its a whole new CPU landscape and intels shareholders must be pooping bricks.

 

[Apache14]

Has there been any word on how memory will clock with the 3000 series and the x370 boards ?

 

[Zoroaster]

98% of customers will be buying a board to pair with a 3600 or 3700 series.

How to make a convincing argument to them that they should pay £100 more for server quality PCB and enough power management to run a small school, along with PCI lanes they will never use, and a cooling system that allows the board to double as a drone.

Refusing to properly upgrade the bios of boards that are only a year old is not a convincing argument.

 

[Zeed]

98% of customers will be buying a board to pair with a 3600 or 3700 series.

How to make a convincing argument to them that they should pay £100 more for server quality PCB and enough power management to run a small school, along with PCI lanes they will never use, and a cooling system that allows the board to double as a drone.

Refusing to properly upgrade the bios of boards that are only a year old is not a convincing argument.

Yup thats the thing... Someone wants 3600 or 3700 cpu does not need 570x BUT x470 board's bioses are not in best state. So one needs to buy lets say 240 quid motherboard to run 189 quid cpu correctly it SUCKS. 8PAck says they WORK some better some worse.... Emmm hmmm

 

[Illuminist]

I still havent seen a single piece of compelling data to show that these new CPU's can even perform anything like a 9900k in single threaded tasks, or games, at all. None of the leaked benchmarks show this.
Can someone show me or inform me that they can ?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

In games (and other non-IO benchmarks) effect of those patches is minimal.
Now the Windows 1903 scheduler could in some cases give a large boost.

I noticed my modded Fallout game had more issues on my Xeon E3 1230 V2 after the patches but it hammers IO,so probably an edge case.

All core clocks on the Ryzen 9 3900X appear to be 4.45GHZ,which is not too bad for a 12 core CPU.

 

[Zeed]

I noticed my modded Fallout game had more issues on my Xeon E3 1230 V2 after the patches but it hammers IO,so probably an edge case.




All core clocks on the Ryzen 9 3900X appear to be 4.45GHZ,which is not too bad for a 12 core CPU.

Good enough for me

 

[Pannalicour]

Those ryzen 3900x results on geekbench more specific the single score. Are they conclusive or should the updates, bios etc at launch help boost it up a little? The 3900x should break the 6000 barrier in single score but that is not happening

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

I still havent seen a single piece of compelling data to show that these new CPU's can even perform anything like a 9900k in single threaded tasks, or games, at all. None of the leaked benchmarks show this.
Can someone show me or inform me that they can ?

There has been several tests ran at low clocks that show Zen2 push very heavy single thread numbers that will overtake the 9900k if ran at higher speeds. IE 4.7 or 4.8Ghz on the Zen2 side will hang in there with 5Ghz 9900s quite the thing.
Problem is we have seen little in the way of proper overclocking yet (XFR and PB will be the best bet).

 

[decto]

98% of customers will be buying a board to pair with a 3600 or 3700 series.

How to make a convincing argument to them that they should pay £100 more for server quality PCB and enough power management to run a small school, along with PCI lanes they will never use, and a cooling system that allows the board to double as a drone.

Refusing to properly upgrade the bios of boards that are only a year old is not a convincing argument.

For those sku there are plenty of inexpensive B450 / X470 boards to choose from, there is no need to buy X570 at that end of the market. Why pay >100% 'future proof' tax you don't need to.
Launch pricing is always high, then it reduces over time (unless you are intel).

Once we get into September, prices should settle a bit. Manufactures have produced a lot of boards they'll want to hit sales target for in the next 2 quarters, I'm guessing there will be more boards than market at the prices so prices will fall.

If manufactures don't update the Bios then there are always cheap Ryzen 2xxx deals or just offload the board and spend money with the vendors who make the effort.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Good enough for me

Near 4.5Ghz allcore for a 12 core is proper daft, wonder what PO can get this too single or maybe dual core clocks.... an auto clock to nearly 5Ghz would be silly.

 

[Zeed]

There has been several tests ran at low clocks that show Zen2 push very heavy single thread numbers that will overtake the 9900k if ran at higher speeds. IE 4.7 or 4.8Ghz on the Zen2 side will hang in there with 5Ghz 9900s quite the thing.
Problem is we have seen little in the way of proper overclocking yet (XFR and PB will be the best bet).

ye atm we dont know if we can even hit 4.7/4.8

With my cooling im ok with CPU taking 250w and can still keep it sub 77c all depends how scaling is.

 

[Illuminist]

So there is no data that supports that claim that it can perform like a 9900k in games...yet.. Just underclocked scores on geekbench that dont make it "unless" its clocked higher and then it "should" be "close".

Got it

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Well the 3900 is reported to have a low core boost (prob single or dual) or what?? 4.6 so its going to do that at least.
Well cooled and more aggressive settings on PB might see, will prob see, another 100-200 ??

These new boosting technologies can push the chip 95% of the way there (i hope) on there own.

 

[Zeed]

For those sku there are plenty of inexpensive B450 / X470 boards to choose from, there is no need to buy X570 at that end of the market. Why pay >100% 'future proof' tax you don't need to.
Launch pricing is always high, then it reduces over time (unless you are intel).

Once we get into September, prices should settle a bit. Manufactures have produced a lot of boards they'll want to hit sales target for in the next 2 quarters, I'm guessing there will be more boards than market at the prices so prices will fall.

If manufactures don't update the Bios then there are always cheap Ryzen 2xxx deals or just offload the board and spend money with the vendors who make the effort.

Well Would You buy motherboard with third grade support for new cpu thats the question everyone will need to answer themselfes.
I dont think we will be getting Bios updates on pair with x570 do You ??

 

[MasterOC]

Absolutely not in what the cpu is best at.....

16 cores is HEDT... So is 12 cores.....

Pretty much worship your work and ability but sometimes just sometimes I think your stuck in the past. Was HEDT , you can't stick it on a platform that is for consumers and loose HEDT features ( quad channel mem etc ) and still classify at as such .

As for these board prices I guess that's what x470 and soon to be arriving b550 chipsets are for. Early adopters tax + new tech + better quality. Prices will settle in 6 months I'd imagine. Chip now and board later me thinks.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I have an Asus B450I Strix mini-ITX motherboard which has a 6+1 phase VRM and a nearly £160 RRP,and it should be perfectly fine supporting a Ryzen 5 3600,Ryzen 5 3600X or Ryzen 5 3700X. I would bloody expect these motherboard companies to support products which are at worst just over a year old,so if there is no stable BIOSes by the end of the year for Ryzen 3000,I am not going to bother with buying a Ryzen 3000 CPU,let alone a Ryzen 4000 CPU. I don't know anyone who is going to sell 6 to 12 month motherboards and AMD promised compatibility which was a major selling point over Intel which AMD used for marketing.If not people will think they have lied though their teeth even though it is lazy motherboard companies.

I will just wait until AM5 is out,and AMD won't be getting any money from me for a new CPU until then.

Good enough for me

Looks good.

 

[Troezar]

Wait for the media reviews which I hope will back up my next few words : VRM designs are the best yet from us Z390 was the fist step in that direction and our BIOS screens have all been changed completely for the X570 and these will be rolled out for other boards as time goes on.

Well I've always had MSI but looking at the information so far I'm going to give Gigabyte a go for X570.