I think AMD need to be aggressive and deny Intel the HEDT market.
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I think AMD need to be aggressive and deny Intel the HEDT market.
We'll hopefully know pretty soon i suppose how accurate the leaks were.
4 days 17 hours. It's going to drag... :/
A six core owner would say that
Well said
i do realise it was mainly a humbug thing but as a 6 core owner for the last 4 or 5 years i'm aiming at 12 cores next time in the hopes it will last me as long as my X58 rig has. Was actually suprised humbug said 8 was fine 
really hope they are great chips. spoke to some people though and some think they gunna get 12 core 5ghz chips for £200. if they are mega fast and high mhz you going to pay for them. they wont be £200 . going to be interesting though . competition is good for us all !
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Wonder if there will be more leaks before the day.
If I was AMD and these leaks are inaccurate I'd leak some real details just to recalibrate expectations.
They will be £300.
Everyone confirms one and the same - Wcffctech, AdoredTV, Videocardz, Techpowerup, Russian e-Tailer, numerous national editions.
The only black sheep seems to be hardware unboxed that says all of the above are wrong
They will be £300.
Everyone confirms one and the same - Wcffctech, AdoredTV, Videocardz, Techpowerup, Russian e-Tailer, numerous national editions.
The only black sheep seems to be hardware unboxed that says all of the above are wrong
Are they all just quoting the same leak or are there 5+ different leaks? If I was Intel I'd get some fake leaks out and overhype Ryzen 3000 so even a good product would seem disappointing
Personally I'm hoping AdoredTV is spot on.
People said the same about Ryzen the first time around. About how there's no way it'll be an 8 core CPU for less money than Intel is current charging for 8 cores.
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Here's hoping these are as good as potentially rumoured, the clock speeds leaked and the supposed IPC boost involved should REALLY heat things up for Intel.
We need a good shakeup in the market, and AMD needs the cash to be able to bring the fight back in the GPU devision with the R&D budget.
We need a good shakeup in the market, and AMD needs the cash to be able to bring the fight back in the GPU devision with the R&D budget.
The first 2 are... more or less done. Market shakeup and cash for further fight is pretty much sorted. What they're still missing is mind share outside of objective, well informed enthusiasts. 5ghz with IPC to carry the fight all the way and yields/etc to properly take the fight back to Intel will do that.
We'll just have to see if Intel jumps on the same dodgy underhand tactics as last time (they always have so... they will) and how well they stick if so.
With AWS taking a large chunk of lower tier server trade and them needing efficiency... I don't quite see how Intel can (long term) freeze AMD out this time.
It's not the same market as it was in the early 00's when the big OEM's were still selling servers to blue chip companies most of the way down to smaller businesses so could be bribed by Intel to keep AMD out (all... as most know, categorically proven). The home market players like dell etc are still there but a lot of that sort of market has gone to tablets/etc now. I don't see Intel having enough leverage to keep AMD from the profitable markets this time. It's literally a bit more mind share and Intel are done (at least to a much level playing field point).
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I don't disagree, but at the same time, to my mind that shakeup is not done until they have managed to gain the mindshare. Right now you ask johnny punter about AMD and most of the time he'll be clueless whereas EVERYONE has heard of Intel, they've had that much exposure, marketing etc.
Don't get me wrong, they [AMD] have put pressure on Intel with Ryzen 1/2 series chips, and a fair bit of it; but this time round its looking like they might have Intel beaten, even in the all important IPC/clock speed ratio, and as we've seen before, clock speeds are a key marketting point to people who know little about computers. 5GHz has got to be better than 4.5 GHz, right?
If AMD put themselves in such a strong position they start gaining headlines and OEMs like Dell, HP, Lenovo etc start pushing them more (laptop and desktop), then we will see that mindshare rise, and with the associated market share rise, the cash to assist them further will come, both for R&D and marketing.
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Nah, there's more to Threadripper than just the core count. Ryzen can't give you 64 PCI-E lanes, quad-channel RAM, ECC support, etc. Granted the 3800X as leaked has the same core count as the 1950X and more cores than the 2920X, but the former will be 2 years old upon Ryzen 3000's release, and the latter is the current entry-level model.
And of course when Threadripper 3rd generation lands it'll have the superior core count again. I'm fully expecting 24, 36, 48 and 64 across the range.
So if you bought Threadripper as an actual workstation, Ryzen 3000 has nothing to offer you. If you bought Threadripper purely for high core counts then Ryzen 3000 can only match the entry level.
Threadripper and Ryzen remain perfectly segmented.
Mindshare will naturally come with long enough standing technological superiority.
The thing is that there are billions of old PC from five-ten years ago and consumers need Microsoft to push them in order to change their aging boxes.
Microsoft needs to require from everyone more powerful computers.
Another thing is the cost - AMD has always offered products of greater value and it is extremely counter-intuitive to prefer a more expensive intel option 
Value is the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
Value is estimate the monetary worth of.
Value is the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
Value is estimate the monetary worth of.
I don't really think the mindshare grab is up to Microsoft to deal with, other than making their Compiler work as well with AMD parts as it does with Intel parts.
Intel has spent years and vast amounts of cash on the "Intel Inside" adds we see daily on the TV. Because they have done it in partnership with high street retailers globally, peeps walking into a store automatically assume unless it has Intel Inside it must be rubbish.
It's up to AMD to deal with that mindset along with the big OEM's. Between them they have to go for big marketing on a global scale in an effort to change peeps mindset.