AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Tomuks]

Wonder if i'll get my 570 aorus elite this week, they've sold out now but I bought in when there was still stock. The cpu is shipped but other parts still pending.

I ordered aorus master like 13:50 yesterday.. it was 10+ in stock and only sold out like hour later.. but today got message that they oversold..and probably will not get ot lol.. so anything can happen...

 

[Jacky60]

I am awaiting people to call him an intel fanboy.

He is bang on right of course. If they not hitting those clocks except in very rare situations then its misleading.

Perhaps a warning sign is that this embargo date is the same day you can buy.

I'd be livid if my new CPU couldn't even hit the clock speeds it's advertised at. There's overclocking headroom for most Intel chips yet AMD have chosen to **** on their loyal customers by being flat out dishonest in their marketing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the
clock speed bump this generation has been pitiful and unless TSMC or AMD have something up their sleeve then what you see now is all you're going to get.
Intel will be moving Heaven and Earth to get a 10 core 3900X killer out the door before the end of the year and with their resources I wouldn't put it past them. This launch follows previous AMD patterns of over-promising and under delivering. Remember 'Poor Volta', 'an overclocking dream' etc and while AMD never said these chips could do 5ghz they can't under any reasonable circumstances even get to the speeds it says on the box.
Everyone on this forum would hit the roof if Intel did this and rightly so which makes it utterly inexcusable for AMD to do this.

 

[CrakeJ]

Doh, had the 3900x in my basket at OCN, must have lost it to one of you guys while i tried justifying the purchase!

 

[i_am_jon]

I ordered aorus master like 13:50 yesterday.. it was 10+ in stock and only sold out like hour later.. but today got message that they oversold..and probably will not get ot lol.. so anything can happen...

Ordered 3900x and Aorus Ultra from OcUk at about 14:30 yesterday, still waiting for it to ship. Already got tomorrow booked of work.

 

[wookiee87]

I'd be livid if my new CPU couldn't even hit the clock speeds it's advertised at. There's overclocking headroom for most Intel chips yet AMD have chosen to **** on their loyal customers by being flat out dishonest in their marketing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the
clock speed bump this generation has been pitiful and unless TSMC or AMD have something up their sleeve then what you see now is all you're going to get.
Intel will be moving Heaven and Earth to get a 10 core 3900X killer out the door before the end of the year and with their resources I wouldn't put it past them. This launch follows previous pattern of over-promising and under delivering. Remember 'Poor Volta', 'an overclocking dream' etc
and while AMD never said these chips could do 5ghz they can't under any reasonable circumstances even get to the speeds it says on the box.
Everyone on this forum would hit the roof if Intel did this and rightly so which makes it utterly inexcusable for AMD to do this.

a post a while ago showed anandtech re testing the 3900x with a newer bios release on a gigabyte board which showed early clock gain around 200-300mhz, i'm sure given time as bios mature the stated boost clocks will be reached and if power limits are altered the oc headroom may improve but as always time is the key factor

 

[TheMoeBlob]

Is there likely to be any significant benefits to getting a x570i aurous pro wifi over the b450i gaming plus ac? I have to spend a good £50 to update the BIOS of the MSI mobo but that still brings the total cost as £50 cheaper than I could put towards ram. I'm only intending to run the 3700x anyway, thoughts before I bite the bullet

 

[wookiee87]

Ordered 3900x and Ultra at about 2:30 yesterday, still waiting to ship. Already got tomorrow booked of work.

just spoke to ocuk support about my order they say it's in the packing stage and i'll receive a shipping notification shortly, i placed my order 14:29pm yesterday, got the week off work to plan watercooling runs.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'd be livid if my new CPU couldn't even hit the clock speeds it's advertised at. There's overclocking headroom for most Intel chips yet AMD have chosen to **** on their loyal customers by being flat out dishonest in their marketing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the
clock speed bump this generation has been pitiful and unless TSMC or AMD have something up their sleeve then what you see now is all you're going to get.
Intel will be moving Heaven and Earth to get a 10 core 3900X killer out the door before the end of the year and with their resources I wouldn't put it past them. This launch follows previous AMD patterns of over-promising and under delivering. Remember 'Poor Volta', 'an overclocking dream' etc and while AMD never said these chips could do 5ghz they can't under any reasonable circumstances even get to the speeds it says on the box.
Everyone on this forum would hit the roof if Intel did this and rightly so which makes it utterly inexcusable for AMD to do this.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/5
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-...echnical-matisse-not-really.html#post28029190

Read those two links.First is the MSI pre-launch BIOS screwing up the boost algorithm and the second is Asus making out of spec tweaks to their pre-launch BIOS which also affected the boost algorithm. Also this,but AMD should have tested it beforehand:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacasv/very_interesting_writeup_of_an_issue_that_may/

 

[Armageus]

Just a reminder - Can we stop with the Competitor Hinting.

Whilst you can reasonably say that "I bought a Ryzen Elsewhere", or "They are available Elsewhere for £200" or "they are in stock Elsewhere" , please don't "hint" with locations of shops, or rhyming names.

 

[summat]

just spoke to ocuk support about my order they say it's in the packing stage and i'll receive a shipping notification shortly, i placed my order 14:29pm yesterday, got the week off work to plan watercooling runs.

I ordered mine yesterday at 14:02 (3900X, X570 Taichi) and still not had a dispatch notice - hopefully there's a big batch all going at once!

 

[69Dude]

I ordered aorus master like 13:50 yesterday.. it was 10+ in stock and only sold out like hour later.. but today got message that they oversold..and probably will not get ot lol.. so anything can happen...

I hope if that's the case I get a message, would be willing to pay the difference to upgrade to a different and in stock board. Only have this week off work

 

[EastCoastHandle]

The opening skit is not only true but funny!
"slice the cake" LOL

 

[Cotti]

My 3900x is ready to collect

 

[Oblivion007]

I'd be livid if my new CPU couldn't even hit the clock speeds it's advertised at. There's overclocking headroom for most Intel chips yet AMD have chosen to **** on their loyal customers by being flat out dishonest in their marketing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the
clock speed bump this generation has been pitiful and unless TSMC or AMD have something up their sleeve then what you see now is all you're going to get.
Intel will be moving Heaven and Earth to get a 10 core 3900X killer out the door before the end of the year and with their resources I wouldn't put it past them. This launch follows previous AMD patterns of over-promising and under delivering. Remember 'Poor Volta', 'an overclocking dream' etc and while AMD never said these chips could do 5ghz they can't under any reasonable circumstances even get to the speeds it says on the box.
Everyone on this forum would hit the roof if Intel did this and rightly so which makes it utterly inexcusable for AMD to do this.

Your anti-AMD/pro-Intel posts are very wearing. I don't know if your Intel stock has taken a hit or something

This "10 core 3900X killer" you talk about - do you not think if they had it in them it would have been ready to go right about now instead of a better binned 9900k?

 

[pmc25]

yeah it looks the bios the press had was more passive, and these are back to ryzen 2000 aggression, but I also just noticed now as well they allowing higher peak clocks so not just the ramp up, so I wonder if this affects what da8eur reported.

The reviewers had access to newer BIOS. They just didn't use it. Some of the boards had the new 1.0.0.3 available by early / middle of last week, and they not only chose not to use that, but stuck with BIOS sometimes 2 versions earlier than that.

 

[hudson86]

I'd be livid if my new CPU couldn't even hit the clock speeds it's advertised at. There's overclocking headroom for most Intel chips yet AMD have chosen to **** on their loyal customers by being flat out dishonest in their marketing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the
clock speed bump this generation has been pitiful and unless TSMC or AMD have something up their sleeve then what you see now is all you're going to get.
Intel will be moving Heaven and Earth to get a 10 core 3900X killer out the door before the end of the year and with their resources I wouldn't put it past them. This launch follows previous AMD patterns of over-promising and under delivering. Remember 'Poor Volta', 'an overclocking dream' etc and while AMD never said these chips could do 5ghz they can't under any reasonable circumstances even get to the speeds it says on the box.
Everyone on this forum would hit the roof if Intel did this and rightly so which makes it utterly inexcusable for AMD to do this.

Its a bios issue, the newer Gigabyte bios ( and probably others ) isnt boosting properly, the Gigabyte rep on reddit is blaming Agesa.

https://www.xanxogaming.com/reviews...w-english-dethroning-the-intel-core-i9-9900k/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacwf9/psa_ryzen_3000_gaming_performance_is_being_gimped/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cag6gb/wtf_is_going_on_why_is_there_so_much_disparity/

The 3900x is hitting 4.6 fine with the older bios.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

The reviewers had access to newer BIOS. They just didn't use it. Some of the boards had the new 1.0.0.3 available by early / middle of last week, and they not only chose not to use that, but stuck with BIOS sometimes 2 versions earlier than that.

One muppet killed his 3900x because of it...

 

[summat]

The reviewers had access to newer BIOS. They just didn't use it. Some of the boards had the new 1.0.0.3 available by early / middle of last week, and they not only chose not to use that, but stuck with BIOS sometimes 2 versions earlier than that.

Other thing to consider there is if the newer BIOS came out half way through their testing, they would probably not use it because it would mean scrapping all the results they'd gotten to that point, no point doing half your testing on one revision, and the other half on a different one.. New BIOS would have had to be available before they got the CPU samples really..

 

[Jacky60]

a post a while ago showed anandtech re testing the 3900x with a newer bios release on a gigabyte board which showed early clock gain around 200-300mhz, i'm sure given time as bios mature the stated boost clocks will be reached and if power limits are altered the oc headroom may improve but as always time is the key factor

Yes I've seen that so their is hope they'll be able to hit advertised speeds. That's pretty much essential to maintaining credibility but not making sure that happened at launch is a troubling oversight.

 

[hudson86]

The reviewers had access to newer BIOS. They just didn't use it. Some of the boards had the new 1.0.0.3 available by early / middle of last week, and they not only chose not to use that, but stuck with BIOS sometimes 2 versions earlier than that.

Other thing to consider there is if the newer BIOS came out half way through their testing, they would probably not use it because it would mean scrapping all the results they'd gotten to that point, no point doing half your testing on one revision, and the other half on a different one.. New BIOS would have had to be available before they got the CPU samples really..

The newer Bios are the problem, the older Agesa 1002 bios are working ok for Boosts.