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One guess on top of another sounds fun. Pass the tea leaves.
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One guess on top of another sounds fun. Pass the tea leaves.
I'm not sure what you mean tbh, and why you've only quoted part of my post? My estimation remains at <$1400 for 32-cores.
What interest do you have in HEDT/Server parts?
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I didn't actually give any figures so you are guessing figures on my behalf and extrapolating from there.
Have you thought about working for the government as an economist!
As far as I know prices could stay the same, increase or go down a bit.
The main thrust of my guess is that they won't price any possible 48/64 core parts anywhere near that low and that based on Ryzen 3000, the lower core count TR3 chips may not decrease at all.
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You can still make an argument for the 9900k if you are looking at a big budget pure gaming rig - but I don't see any possible intel answer to this next gen of TR chips currently. I have absolutely no reason to want one, but they are pretty awesome eye candy.
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I didn't actually give any figures so you are guessing figures on my behalf and extrapolating from there.
Have you thought about working for the government as an economist!
As far as I know prices could stay the same, increase or go down a bit.
The main thrust of my guess is that they won't be price any possible 48/64 core parts anywhere near that low and that based on Ryzen 3000, the lower core count TR3 chips may not decrease at all.
You literally said you doubt they'll drop the pricing if at all, referring to the 32c part, and used the Ryzen 3xxx per core pricing as an example. So using that statement it wasn't hard to give a range of figures, really was it?
Enough of this anyway, it's not really adding to the thread quality.
I honestly think myself personally that threadripper prices will go up by quite a large margain myself.
Amd have shown this generation that zen 2 cores can go toe to toe with intel at ipc etc. Intels only real advantage is clockspeed at mainstream.
Now this is just my take on it but if the 32 core threadripper 3 can beat intel at HEDT level they will match intel prices at the higher end of the spectrum £2k.
Amd rep is changing they have shown with the Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7 that they are not going to be a budget option anymore they offer more of what intel are 3700x vs 9700 non k more threads and unlocked. But still commanding same price as intel.
I can see the same happening on threadripper. Why sell a product that’s matches and beats intel for less money?
Single core doesn't seem very high, my 1900x is in the 52xx ballpark. I do hope these things come with capable clocks and not just loads of cores.
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While i somewhat agree, historical (yeah its only 3 gens) prices for Ryzen have stayed pretty much the same, i cant see AMD suddenly pulling an Intel and pricing the loyal HEDT customers out of the market ala Intel.
Threadripper has become mainstream, i bet they sold a lot more Threadripper than they anticipated, and HEDT rigs generally tend to get upgraded a lot less frequently than, standard desktops, but still i think the prices will be cheaper than Intel while offering more cores and performance out of the box.
1950x Launch Price $999 (16/32) $62 per core
1920x Launch Price $799 (12/24) $66 per core
1900x Launch Price $549 (8/16) $69 per core
Gen 1 Threadripper averaged roughly $66 per core.
2990WX Launch Price $1799 (32/64) $56 per core
2970WX Launch Price $1299 (24/48) $54 per core
2950X Launch Price $899 (16/32) $56 per core
2920X Launch Price $649 (12/24) $54 per core
Gen 2 Threadripper averaged roughly $55 per core
So as you can see, 2nd Gen threadripper was roughly $10 cheaper per core than Gen1, now if we look at Ryzen Desktop pricing
R3 1200 Launch Price $109 (4/4) $27 per core
R3 1300X Launch Price $129 (4/4) $32 per core
R5 1400 Launch Price $169 (4/8) $42 per core
R5 1500X Launch Price $189 (4/8) $47 per core
R5 1600 Launch Price $219 (6/12) $36 per core
R5 1600X Launch Price $249 (6/12) $41 per core
R7 1700 Launch Price $329 (8/16) $41 per core
R7 1700X Launch Price $399 (8/16) $50 per core
R7 1800X Launch Price $499 (8/16) $62 per core
Gen 1 Ryzen Desktop averaged $42 per core roughly which is roughly 50% cheaper per core than Threadripper Gen 1.
R5 2600 Launch Price $199 (6/12) $33 per core
R5 2600X Launch Price $229 (6/12) $38 per core
R7 2700 Launch Price $299 (8/16) $37 per core
R7 2700X Launch Price $329 (8/16) $41 per core
Ryzen Refresh Desktop averaged $37 per core, which is roughly 45% cheaper per core than Threadripper Gen 2.
R5 3600 Launch Price $199 (6/12) $33 per core
R5 3600X Launch Price $249 (6/12) $41 per core
R7 3700X Launch Price $329 (8/16) $41 per core
R7 3800X Launch Price $399 (8/16) $50 per core
R9 3900X Launch Price $499 (12/24) $42 per core
R9 3950X Launch Price $749 (12/24) $62 per core
Gen 2 Ryzen Desktop averaged $45 per core, which is roughly 8% more expensive per core than Gen1 and 18% or so more expensive than Zen Refresh per core. Prices are inflated at the higher end for all Zen products, which makes the mid to lower tier stuff the best bang for buck, anyhow i digress.
So to speculate on Threadripper Gen 3 pricing (Gen 2 Zen, yep its confusing) Zen 1 Threadripper was roughly 50% per core more expensive than Desktop, Zen2 Threadripper was roughly 45% more expensive per core than desktop, Zen2 desktop looks to be 8% more expensive than Gen1 and 18% more expensive than Zen+ refresh per core so if we average it to 13% more expensive overall should be about right, so $45 +13% is roughly $52 per core? We know that Threadripper has a markup of approx 45-50% over Desktop Ryzen, for argument sake we will say 47% for Gen 3 Threadripper.
12/24 Entry Threadripper Gen 3 - $917 - $76 per core
24/48 Mid level Threadripper Gen 3 - $1835 - $76 per core
48/96 High end Threadripper Gen 3 - $3670 - $76 per core
Threadripper Gen1 price per core increased as the core counts increased, Zen+ Threadripper 2 price per core remained around $55 per core, with the price for Threadripper being around $76 per core i can see AMD doing what they did with Zen1, lowering the cost of the entry level core count chips per core and increasing towards the higher end.
So while these look expensive, and close to Intel prices, AMD has a lot of room to move on pricing for these to make them competitive as they have a roughly 47% markup per core over Desktop Zen.
What is interesting to note is Zen+ was almost 20% cheaper per core than Zen1, Zen2 is much more expensive per core than Zen+ but only marginally more expensive per core than Zen1.
Anyhow this is purely all speculation on my part, if AMD follows its historical Data then Zen2 Threadripper 3 will be pretty pricey but thats a lot of power your getting, but i still expect them to undercut Intel decently, but still be closer to Intel prices, while they absolutely dominate them in performance.
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Cant see any reason why not tbh... other than the PCIE4 thing.
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AMD's prices have not gone up
By core count
1920X $750
2920X $650
3900X $500
1800X $500
1700X $400
1700 . $300
2700X $330
3800X $400
3700X $330
1600X $250
1600 . $220
2600X $230
2600 . $210
3600X $250
3600 . $200
The prices have remain very consistent since the first gen, they have actually gone down in price in some instances.
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Well 24 and 32 core Threadripper 2 already beats Intel HEDT and commands less money as a platform. Ryzen 3000 also beats Intel's HEDT platform (and the 3950X will salt the earth the 3900X burned). So why suddenly will Threadripper 3 cost multiple thousands?
If you consider over £100 cheaper to be "commanding the same price as Intel" then I'm not sure what discussion we can have. 3700X is £320 ish, 9900 non-K is £430-450 ish. The 3800X is £370-390 That's £50 cheaper.
Well, they already do, so...
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My bad. Still £20 more expensive than the 3700X.They said 9700 non K.
Except that 6-cores in 2019/2020 is not what it was in 2016/2017. 6-cores is low-end nowadays. So, the low end is much more expensive today.
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But the 3600 offers much better performance than the 1600 so you are actually getting much better performance for the same price.
Or if you want to go high end you can get much better performance and 4 extra cores for the same price.
It’s a win, win
But the 3600 offers much better performance than the 1600 so you are actually getting much better performance for the same price.
Or if you want to go high end you can get much better performance and 4 extra cores for the same price.
It’s a win, win
It's lose-lose
Ryzen 3600 over Ryzen 1600 is 20-30%, for two generations. For two generations, this is nothing.
Slightly better than what Intel offered with 3770 over 2600, 4770 over 3770, 5775C over 4770, 6700 over 4770. And for what it was so hated.
And your performance is constrained by the number of threads, not by their individual speed.
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Not sure where SiDeards is getting 3950X at $62 per core, it's a 16c/32t processor from all reports and therefore $46 per core, much more in line with the 3xxx range already released.
Assuming the worst and a bit extra at $52 per core is more likely for Threadripper:
24c/48t - $1499
32c/64t - $1699
48c/96t - $2499
64c/128t - $3299
Of course they may decide to push to $60+ per core but I don't think that's in AMD's best interests.
Assuming the worst and a bit extra at $52 per core is more likely for Threadripper:
24c/48t - $1499
32c/64t - $1699
48c/96t - $2499
64c/128t - $3299
Of course they may decide to push to $60+ per core but I don't think that's in AMD's best interests.