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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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That place is joke. Haha.But WCCF said...
it comes from Digitimes not wccftech.
Digitimes also leaked the Zen 2 refresh which we know is real.
I hope this new rumour is not real though and I don't think its real anyway. Main reason being AMD has mentioned 7nm several times for Zen 3, why suddenly change it now so close to released and historically AMD has never jumped on a new node first with Ryzen, they've waited for others like Apple to jump on first - which is exactly what Lisa said in today's interview, she's waiting for mobile 5nm parts, like those in the iPhone 12 to be produced first so when it comes to AMD's desktop chips the 5nm node is more mature
It does seem unlikely but what really fuels this story is that not only do we know TSMC’s 5nm+ mass production is ahead of schedule (4Q) but TSMC also dropped Huawei, one of their big customers for 7nm and 5nm chips.
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Does that make any difference to the point I was making though?
So Zen 3 = 4000 series = 7nm = coming out this year
Zen 4 = 5000 series = 5nm = 2022? with PCI 4.0, DDR5?
Not sure if I can hold out 2 years for Zen 4, plus there will be a price premium on the new tech and no doubt issues with it.
Probably still worth nabbing a 4000 series 8 core to carry me over for 3-5 years right?
Or is it silly to go to a 4000 series when 5000 series is coming out 2 years after?
Zen 4 = 5000 series = 5nm = 2022? with PCI 4.0, DDR5?
Not sure if I can hold out 2 years for Zen 4, plus there will be a price premium on the new tech and no doubt issues with it.
Probably still worth nabbing a 4000 series 8 core to carry me over for 3-5 years right?
Or is it silly to go to a 4000 series when 5000 series is coming out 2 years after?
I'll eat a cake shaped like a hat if it's 5nm (which it won't be).
I thinking that when they started designing this thing several years ago, they would have had no idea if 5nm process would have been delayed, or come in on time, or ahead of schedule.
At that time it would have been a massive risk to design for 5nm.
And there's no way they can switch from 7nm to 5nm mid-way through development, AFAIK.
Just can't see how it's even possible (from this layman's basic understanding of how things work).
I thinking that when they started designing this thing several years ago, they would have had no idea if 5nm process would have been delayed, or come in on time, or ahead of schedule.
At that time it would have been a massive risk to design for 5nm.
And there's no way they can switch from 7nm to 5nm mid-way through development, AFAIK.
Just can't see how it's even possible (from this layman's basic understanding of how things work).
Lisa Su at Bernstein
https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...in-36th-annual-strategic-decisions-conference
Milan "end of this year"... doesn't bode well for desktop Zen 3
https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...in-36th-annual-strategic-decisions-conference
Milan "end of this year"... doesn't bode well for desktop Zen 3
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That sounds plausible, but it would make it quite a long time between 3000 series and 4000 series.
I still think a Zen 2 refresh is a perfectly reasonable move to boost sales for relatively little effort at this stage in the Zen 2 lifecycle, even if Zen 3 (on 7nm) were to come out Q4 '20.
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"On March 18, we found one employee who tested positive for COVID-19 and immediately began receiving appropriate care. Today, this employee has recovered, is out of the hospital and is staying at home for additional quarantine. We were able to suitably trace all the other individuals who were in contact. The neighboring employees have all tested negative, while all other employees who were in contact has entered and completed the 14-day self-quarantine and now back to work. As a result of the strict preventive measures taken by TSMC, we have not seen any disruption of our fab operations so far."
https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-...smc-covid-19-and-double-digit-growth-in-2020/
COVID-19 doesn't seem to have affected TSMC's manufacturing. If there is a delay, there must be other factors.
https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-...smc-covid-19-and-double-digit-growth-in-2020/
COVID-19 doesn't seem to have affected TSMC's manufacturing. If there is a delay, there must be other factors.
Maybe they have taken the opportunity to jump to 5nm if it's ready. Just because it's not on the current road-map really means nothing as they can and do get changed. Or maybe they want to launch with more volume as it took ages to get the 3900 and 3950 in stock on the last launch, so a few weeks or a month or so more production to get more volume.
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It would be very unusual for them to go again anything they have released to the investors.
The effect on stocks can be massive, and to go against plans that have been released is a major departure.
We will see, no doubt the 16th will bring some information, even if it is just APUs and XTs.
The effect on stocks can be massive, and to go against plans that have been released is a major departure.
We will see, no doubt the 16th will bring some information, even if it is just APUs and XTs.
Nah. Not likely a 7nm architecture refresh is put on a 5nm. They will somehow refresh with 7N+ or whatever it is called.
AMD may launch a single Zen 3 APU at the end of the year to grab some media exposure as well as to sort out supply chain. Then full launch of all Zen3 lines Q1 2021
It’s not long to wait so we’ll see what happens. Isn’t it usually the case that AMD launch products 6 months after the engineering sample and benchmark score start to leak out? Which makes it end of this year around October time. To catch the sales around Halloween, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas, New Year etc.
It’s not long to wait so we’ll see what happens. Isn’t it usually the case that AMD launch products 6 months after the engineering sample and benchmark score start to leak out? Which makes it end of this year around October time. To catch the sales around Halloween, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas, New Year etc.
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Ant guess at pricepoint of cheapest 12 core CPU?
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