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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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VAT isn't import duty. You would know that if actually imported anything outside the EU. Import duty is separate to VAT and gets added on top.
The biggest and deepest ports in Europe are in Holland,and that is where lots of electronics are sent from Asia through. There is huge amounts of warehousing there. Apple,HTC etc were fighting in courts and Holland was targeted as any ban in that country will disrupt imports of electronics to the whole of Europe. Then from Holland you will get re-exports via smaller ships,trucks,etc to other countries. So it's not a simple case of duties but capacity as for 30+ years our ports and the storage capacity have not been developed which was really shortsighted,so if the supply chains and big distributors still rely on Holland,etc,if there is no specific arrangements made, prices will go up. Even if relocate to our ports,they need to be improved which costs money,so prices will go up. To put in context Rotherham alone has double the container and cargo capacity than every single port in the UK.
Plus I would argue that computer parts are going to be low down the priority for this country anyway,and if taxes and duties are to be raised it will be on items like electronics. Storage capacity will be reserved for more important items. Things like food and medicine are far more important to the UK.
The only hope is perhaps there will be less import duty on US imports,but I would say that would probably mean more people buying online from US companies. So probably not so good for local companies here.
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None of that makes any sense, its completely random.
Why are Apple and HTC etc fighting in courts?, what ban? Whose banning what? why?
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AMD must be happy with the performance from Zen3 if they are to be refreshing a trio of Zen2 parts even for just a few % - it would undermine Zen3 in comparison charts if Zen2 refresh was close so they must be chuffed with it to have the balls to ***** out the XT's imho.
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Zen2 only got a clock speed boost afaik, so that will help with gaming. But Zen3 seems to be showing great IPC gains as well as possibly greater clock speed boosts as well.
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Yeah...
he was taking about historic patent law suits, they fight in US EU South East Asia etc. He is right tho Holland is a target for these law suits. They also target markets to stem sales etc.
UK has built port capacities tho. Thames estuary has been developing to take the biggest containers. It is also linked to the train line from China. It is just still a ongoing project.
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A good excuse to revive a once thriving industry.... and employ some people.
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Yes but even a couple of hundred mhz will push the old pieces (even if they are XT) up the tables compared to shiny new Zen3 - so AMD must be confident they have a big gap between Zen2 (refresh) and Zen3.
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Wouldn't hold your breath unless someone competent becomes the next prime minister. Our government is drunk and asleep at the wheel
Caporegime
Wouldn't hold your breath unless someone competent becomes the next prime minister. Our government is drunk and asleep at the wheel
Agreed but i don't see anyone like that, well.... i see a couple of people, but they ran a mile from the calamity mess that was and still is their party.
Well I hope so. A 3800XT @ 4.8Ghz (it might be 4.7Ghz) would be a pretty formidable 8-core for gaming and productivity and wouldn't be priced outside the hardcore gamer' budget.
We gotta expect the 4800X to come this year too and for it to be pretty handedly ahead of that again. Apparently Rocket Lake (is that Intel's next I get the names confused) will offer sizeable ipc bump even if it's on 14nm still so I hope Ryzen 4000 is so far ahead it's still faster than that, which arrives as soon as February.
I say 'I hope' as Intel still has far too much marketshare and influence.
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If Zen3 can't comfortably beat Intel in gaming then it wants taking out back and shooting 
AMD have had enough chances with this.
AMD have had enough chances with this.
They are, however, specialists in snatching defeat from the jaws of victoryIf Zen3 can't comfortably beat Intel in gaming then it wants taking out back and shooting
AMD have had enough chances with this.
I'm waiting for the announcement that Zen3 will be delayed to 2022 or something daft
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Those large container ships need deep water ports,and the biggest deepwater ports in the whole of Europe are in Holland,and the fact is Holland is a huge distribution hub for lots of Europe. Years ago,Apple was sueing Android licensees such as HTC,and they targetted action in Holland,since a ban in Holland pretty much would ban HTC imports into the whole of Europe as most of the container ships with their phones,went to the Dutch ports. So that is why so much litigation happens in Holland,ie,if you ban an item in Holland,you will make it very difficult for imports into Europe.
Why is it random - you need to appreciate how shipping works. Items come on huge container shops which are over 100000 tonnes. There are smaller container ships,but the smaller ones actually cost more per container due to lower economies of scale.
When they come to Europe they are full of stuff from Asia,and on the return leg,they are full of containers which go back to China,etc with exports(think cars,etc) from the whole of Europe including the UK. This is what makes it cost effective.
Rotherdam is the biggest container port in the whole of Europe and the USA. Then you have Antwerp in Belgium which is the second biggest port in the USA/Europe,and Hamburg in Germany which is the 4th. Lots of companies have significant operations located in those countries as a result:
http://www.worldshipping.org/about-the-industry/global-trade/top-50-world-container-ports
This even includes various UK and US companies which base their major warehouses in those countries. UK based ports are massively down the list,as they were not expanded anywhere as much. The cost of dredging the ports,building more terminals,etc is billlions of pounds of investment. So instead what a lot of our companies have done is rely on things such as the channel tunnel,ferries and shipping by air from these ports,since it was all one open border. So our ports are nowhere as developed and that blame needs to appropriated to several governments who really should have put more priority on not only improving the capacity of our ports,but storage capacity. As usual a quick buck mentality instead of thinking about security for the country which is an island nation and should have well developed ports!!
So that is what you need to consider,lots of companies rely on suppliers and operations based in places in Holland,etc. Until we can build up our ports,storage,etc supply chains will be still dependent on what is being used today. So if there is now import duty,it will be charged(plus the VAT on top) of those items.
Plus stuff like computer parts are less important than food and medicine imports. So I suspect capacity at our ports and any import duty relief will be for essential items. So "luxury" items like gaming parts won't get it,so we will eventually pay more,providing also the pound value stays stable.
The only real hope,is if we do a deal with the US,it will mean less import duties on imports from the US,ie,we buy products from US companies as a personal import and pay less tax. ATM,the import duties are too high,which is annoying as several US specific tech items are not available easily in the UK. I mean our companies could try to use alternate US sources for goods,but then that would mean shipping from US ports to ours,etc.
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That is very interesting, i was unaware of that.
Problem with a US deal, is that it would almost certainly open up the mess created by food imports.
Any economy minister willing to ruin our food industry needs hung, drawn and quartered.
Problem with a US deal, is that it would almost certainly open up the mess created by food imports.
Any economy minister willing to ruin our food industry needs hung, drawn and quartered.
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Those large container ships need deep water ports,and the biggest deepwater ports in the whole of Europe are in Holland,and the fact is Holland is a huge distribution hub for lots of Europe. Years ago,Apple was sueing Android licensees such as HTC,and they targetted action in Holland,since a ban in Holland pretty much would ban HTC imports into the whole of Europe as most of the container ships with their phones,went to the Dutch ports. So that is why so much litigation happens in Holland,ie,if you ban an item in Holland,you will make it very difficult for imports into Europe.
Why is it random - you need to appreciate how shipping works. Items come on huge container shops which are over 100000 tonnes. There are smaller container ships,but the smaller ones actually cost more per container due to lower economies of scale.
When they come to Europe they are full of stuff from Asia,and on the return leg,they are full of containers which go back to China,etc with exports(think cars,etc) from the whole of Europe including the UK. This is what makes it cost effective.
Rotherdam is the biggest container port in the whole of Europe and the USA. Then you have Antwerp in Belgium which is the second biggest port in the USA/Europe,and Hamburg in Germany which is the 4th. Lots of companies have significant operations located in those countries as a result:
http://www.worldshipping.org/about-the-industry/global-trade/top-50-world-container-ports
This even includes various UK and US companies which base their major warehouses in those countries. UK based ports are massively down the list,as they were not expanded anywhere as much. The cost of dredging the ports,building more terminals,etc is billlions of pounds of investment. So instead what a lot of our companies have done is rely on things such as the channel tunnel,ferries and shipping by air from these ports,since it was all one open border. So our ports are nowhere as developed and that blame needs to appropriated to several governments who really should have put more priority on not only improving the capacity of our ports,but storage capacity. As usual a quick buck mentality instead of thinking about security for the country which is an island nation and should have well developed ports!!
So that is what you need to consider,lots of companies rely on suppliers and operations based in places in Holland,etc. Until we can build up our ports,storage,etc supply chains will be still dependent on what is being used today. So if there is now import duty,it will be charged(plus the VAT on top) of those items.
Plus stuff like computer parts are less important than food and medicine imports. So I suspect capacity at our ports and any import duty relief will be for essential items. So "luxury" items like gaming parts won't get it,so we will eventually pay more,providing also the pound value stays stable.
The only real hope,is if we do a deal with the US,it will mean less import duties on imports from the US,ie,we buy products from US companies as a personal import and pay less tax. ATM,the import duties are too high,which is annoying as several US specific tech items are not available easily in the UK. I mean our companies could try to use alternate US sources for goods,but then that would mean shipping from US ports to ours,etc.
Very well written, I certainly learnt a lot from it!
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Things are far more interconnected than what appears on the surface,and yes I am worried our local industry is going to get screwed over! However,you only have to read some articles in the Telegraph by certain think tanks about how they want cheap food imports even if it destroys our local industry!
This government will sell us all down the river including their mothers and daughters just to score some political kudos.Things are far more interconnected than what appears on the surface,and yes I am worried our local industry is going to get screwed over! However,you only have to read some articles in the Telegraph by certain think tanks about how they want cheap food imports even if it destroys our local industry!
they got a decent track record of that. International negotiation and understanding the intricate details of diplomacy and international trade and logistics is well beyond these people. They don’t surround them with industrial experts either, just a bunch of spin doctors and data scientists to manipulate public opinions.
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