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A520 might be the go to board for budget builds if the VRMs are good.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Don
Why? PC Ports are still going to target the lowest possible denominator - Hard Drives for a long time to come. At best requirements may move up to SATA SSD, PCI-E 4.0 NVMe are not going to be a requirement for PC Gaming any time soon.
What are they likely to offer in X670 and B670? The AM4 is ageing. I can’t see them retaining AM4 while adding DDR5 support.
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Allegedly delayed to 2021
https://wccftech.com/amd-allegedly-delaying-ryzen-4000-series-zen-3-cpus-to-2021/
https://wccftech.com/amd-allegedly-delaying-ryzen-4000-series-zen-3-cpus-to-2021/
so basically they dont know. could be october could be jan next year. so carry on as normal no one knows lets make something up for news 
it wouldnt surprise me as if intel doesnt have anything to go against amd why bring out now. just sell what you can now then launch later and sell well again then. makes sense. hope its not true. as really looking forward to the new stuff.
it wouldnt surprise me as if intel doesnt have anything to go against amd why bring out now. just sell what you can now then launch later and sell well again then. makes sense. hope its not true. as really looking forward to the new stuff.
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I was almost mildly irritated at the news of these being delayed... then remembered I dont actually need one and to stop buying PC parts for the sake of it lol.
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X670 i think.
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I would assume the same as well. Zen was x370, Zen+ was x470, Zen2 was x570..............it's fair to assume Zen3 will be x670. Although of course Zen3 will work fine in an x570 mobo, personally i wouldn't just wait to get an x670 just for Zen3.
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I would certainly assume a new range of x670 mobos, and the 550 and 570 being updated to cope, with the others offering compatibility straight off the bat.
I thought we were virtually sure they would launch late 2020 already, almost a paper launch with stock in time for next year, but maybe they'll postpone that bit.
Interesting in what gets announced tomorrow.
I thought we were virtually sure they would launch late 2020 already, almost a paper launch with stock in time for next year, but maybe they'll postpone that bit.
Interesting in what gets announced tomorrow.
Possibly but then most people that would be buying A520 on a budget wont be splashing out on a Gen4 NMVE and B450 offers the rest with overclock support.
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SSD for a decent experience was years ago. Arkham Knight as an example from 2015. It's not about it being a requirement, it's about how the game plays with the benefit of better hardware. For £40 or so extra on the mobo, I don't see it being worth the chance. There's already a number of people who were talking about the benefit of board support through AM4 generation and already they've swapped out boards.
Gen 3 - Higher end is something like 3,500mb/s r and 2,500mb/s w
Gen 4 - Current is around 5000mb/s r and 4400mb/s w
Next Gen consoles - Reported to be around 5500mb/s r
Gen 4 future is even quicker 6000+ mb/s r no issue
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Pretty sure a gen 3 nvme will be perfectly fine for years to come but good luck if you want to go £60+ on a motherboard and £150+ atleast on a super fast samsung gen4, meanwhile i'll be putting that saving into the GPU.
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Soldato
The idea behind a faster SSD for the consoles is due to the limited fixed nature of the hardware. It allows them to make use of the smaller amount of dedicated VRAM, and system RAM and use the faster SSD to make loading large games more seamless, utterly pointless on the PC where no such limitations exist.
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I didn't say it wasn't.
And what difference do they make vs a sata ssd in terms of PC gaming?
The new generation consoles can optimise specifically for these super fast SSDs - there will be nothing slower supported for primary storage. In the case of PC, you can't specifically require NVMe as a minimum requirement without alienating a large proportion of the platform's users
I suspect you may find AAA developers don't care. There will be lots of indie PC exclusive for people to play who have slow harddrives. But AAA developers are building their games from the ground up for NVMe pcie 4 drives and if your PC can't hang so be it - always remember consoles are the target market, PC is always an after thought.
additionally- why wouldn't a pc gamer just upgrade their storage for new games? It doesn't make sense to imply that the whole market should be held back because someone is using a 10 year old drive. PS5 games don't run on the PS4, so the developer is already happy to alienate all the PS4 owners, so if you think they don't alienate owner on old storage drives you may be surprised
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You're missing the point. It's not about requiring it. You can play games on a pc that meets the minimum requirements, it doesn't mean to say the experience will be as good as on better hardware. Pcie4 will be the new standard for drives, it's not about bottlenecks from the graphics as so many keep mentioning. Nothing past a SSD makes a noticeable difference yet because the new consoles aren't yet released. They're the driver for everything moving forward. Four figure money on a pc with a drive a lot slower than a new console requiring a new board, drive and all the faff - no thanks.
You're missing the point. It's not about requiring it. You can play games on a pc that meets the minimum requirements, it doesn't mean to say the experience will be as good as on better hardware. Pcie4 will be the new standard for drives, it's not about bottlenecks from the graphics as so many keep mentioning. Nothing past a SSD makes a noticeable difference yet because the new consoles aren't yet released. They're the driver for everything moving forward. Four figure money on a pc with a drive a lot slower than a new console requiring a new board, drive and all the faff - no thanks.
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so if you think they don't alienate owner on old storage drives you may be surprised
Steam hardware surveys say otherwise
Steam hardware survey shows that 80% of "gaming PC's" are far slower than a PS5, how do you reconcile that as a developer?
At the end of the day, if a PS4 owner needs to go out and slap some dosh on a PS5, then a PC owner can go out and slap some dosh on upgrades. What's good for the one is good for the other - let's get this industry moving forward!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the PS5 and SX represent the first time in gaming history where a console release represents a significant performance jump over the average gaming PC? We are setting new precedents here. In all other console releases, PC gamers were already ahead of the curve - now they find themselves behind the curve for the first time ever. Because of this we can now longer use historical data as a predictor of future outcomes - new rules require new thinking.
one of the worst things about consoles is how slow they are to load in game so saying you now have super fast loading times will be a massive seller for many people. for eg in cod mw pc players are often waiting for console players to start the game even after a full round has played.
You hit the nail on its head. PS5 is a significant piece of hardware. I think it’s retail is set at $599, for that price you will not be able to pull together an 8c RTX5700 nvme Drive gaming PC. And that hardware would have been tuned for performance.
yes there are specs of PC ahead of the machine but for major of “gaming pc” users the con isle represents a significantly step up especially if you are still using skylake or earlier systems which a lot of people are.
tbh I think PS5 will likely to fly off the shelves and some of the titles look amazing graphically as well as the physics engines. This console feel like a significant step up from PS4. I think it is even bigger than PS2 to PS3.
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