I know I first asked the Q but I think Alec is right. It’s all a bit too depressing.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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I know I first asked the Q but I think Alec is right. It’s all a bit too depressing.
Surely Rotterdam not Rotherham unless sea levels rapidly rose recently?Those large container ships need deep water ports,and the biggest deepwater ports in the whole of Europe are in Holland,and the fact is Holland is a huge distribution hub for lots of Europe. Years ago,Apple was sueing Android licensees such as HTC,and they targetted action in Holland,since a ban in Holland pretty much would ban HTC imports into the whole of Europe as most of the container ships with their phones,went to the Dutch ports. So that is why so much litigation happens in Holland,ie,if you ban an item in Holland,you will make it very difficult for imports into Europe.
Why is it random - you need to appreciate how shipping works. Items come on huge container shops which are over 100000 tonnes. There are smaller container ships,but the smaller ones actually cost more per container due to lower economies of scale.
When they come to Europe they are full of stuff from Asia,and on the return leg,they are full of containers which go back to China,etc with exports(think cars,etc) from the whole of Europe including the UK. This is what makes it cost effective.
Rotherdam is the biggest container port in the whole of Europe and the USA. Then you have Antwerp in Belgium which is the second biggest port in the USA/Europe,and Hamburg in Germany which is the 4th. Lots of companies have significant operations located in those countries as a result:
http://www.worldshipping.org/about-the-industry/global-trade/top-50-world-container-ports
This even includes various UK and US companies which base their major warehouses in those countries. UK based ports are massively down the list,as they were not expanded anywhere as much. The cost of dredging the ports,building more terminals,etc is billlions of pounds of investment. So instead what a lot of our companies have done is rely on things such as the channel tunnel,ferries and shipping by air from these ports,since it was all one open border. So our ports are nowhere as developed and that blame needs to appropriated to several governments who really should have put more priority on not only improving the capacity of our ports,but storage capacity. As usual a quick buck mentality instead of thinking about security for the country which is an island nation and should have well developed ports!!
So that is what you need to consider,lots of companies rely on suppliers and operations based in places in Holland,etc. Until we can build up our ports,storage,etc supply chains will be still dependent on what is being used today. So if there is now import duty,it will be charged(plus the VAT on top) of those items.
Plus stuff like computer parts are less important than food and medicine imports. So I suspect capacity at our ports and any import duty relief will be for essential items. So "luxury" items like gaming parts won't get it,so we will eventually pay more,providing also the pound value stays stable.
The only real hope,is if we do a deal with the US,it will mean less import duties on imports from the US,ie,we buy products from US companies as a personal import and pay less tax. ATM,the import duties are too high,which is annoying as several US specific tech items are not available easily in the UK. I mean our companies could try to use alternate US sources for goods,but then that would mean shipping from US ports to ours,etc.
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We can but hopeSurely Rotterdam not Rotherham unless sea levels rapidly rose recently?
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Way too much money....
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If enough people are willing to pay for overpriced stuff, manufacturers will keep overpricing their stuff. (2080ti anyone?)
that's insane, you will be better off with X570 boards at these prices....how can they justify a 50% markup from previous gen...
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I suspect the will be a great number of people still buying B450 boards, and that B450 boards are the true entry level Ryzen boards, with B550 sitting in the middle of the them and the X570.
Having a three tiered product stack males sense in some ways, as it allows more granularity for features to be added or taken away to hit the price points required.
I'll still be using B450 MSI Max boards in most of my sub £800 builds though, as the extra cash can be used to something that will actually offer better performance, rather than doing nothing.
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Ive not long ago built a machine with a B450 Mortar Max board and needed to get a decent wifi card to go in it too, so I dont think the prices are too bad, if I had of waited for B550 Mortar, it would have cost me maybe £30 more, but i'd of got PCI-e 4 with it too and built in wifi plus better audio etc, so theres not much of a difference really as they do come with a lot more features, I expected the Tomahawk to be around that price, espceilly as the B450 Tomahawk Max is £120 now, and the recently released X570 Tomahawk came in at £220, prices will probably come down after 3 months or so though.
The prices that are shocking me is the top tier boards from every manufacturer in the B550 range, I wouldnt pay that and would always just jump on X570 with those price tags, I can see the X570 Tomahawk selling loads of boards.
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Tomahawk Max when released was around £109...lowest is around £90 and now it is slowly going up as you said above original retail. I dont think B450 boards will fall in prices at any rate due to the B550 pricing.
I dont think B550 prices will budge much either. may get some discount by the end of the year but it will all go back up especially the popular ones with Wifi, 2.5GB ethernet, decent VRM etc
really annoyed that finally AMD pulls ahead and gives us affordable CPUs and platform to build them on then this business of expensive motherboard again. it is looking like a monopoly again.
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Sorry should have said I needed mATX
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Hacksaw.
They are great boards, prices will likely fall back to pre-lockdown levels in due course, as the £:$ hasn't really gone down all that much after that brief blip.
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I doubt these prices will change much, just look at X570 pricing since release and that hasn't changed much even before the covid.
PCIe gen 4 seems to add around £40-50 to the board price and then the extra features make up the rest so I don't think their is much room for manoeuvre on pricing and if anything it will probably increase on launch as there will be limited stocks available.
Totally agree, anyone with a budget of 1k or less is best off putting the cash where it matters either into the CPU or Gpu rather than sinking it into a motherboard with the main feature being PCIe gen4 that most people won't make use of now or in the future as by the time the top Gpus are maxing gen3 these CPUs will be a bottleneck and most people looking at buying these or X570 seem to go with gen 3 nvme anyway.
It's not even future proof with DDR5 / AM5 requiring a new socket.
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we will get the real uk prices in a few days. remember they will have to sell. so if they are too expensive they wont sell as people will just buy older gen boards. so the prices will come down just probably not at launch.
hopefully we will get more news as well soon with the newer cpus coming and when they are arriving.
hopefully we will get more news as well soon with the newer cpus coming and when they are arriving.
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Pcie4 is well worth the investment now even if running a gen 3 drive. The new consoles are looking like they're faster than current pcie4 drives from gigabyte, corsair etc all on the same controller. In a year or two I wouldn't want a drive that's much slower than a console and there's nothing you can do about it re upgrades. Samsungs yet to launch pcie4 drive will be the drive to have to give you headroom. Much like ram speeds, drive speeds increase over time. Comparing end of life gen3 speeds to current gen4 is misleading, the gap will widen. Pcie3 drives are way behind.
This is arguably more important than the CPU for now given that's a drop in upgrade and 6/12 is easily enough until 4000 series and the consoles have been out a while.
This is arguably more important than the CPU for now given that's a drop in upgrade and 6/12 is easily enough until 4000 series and the consoles have been out a while.
Honestly I tried googling this but I couldn't find an answer, but I'm also bad at googling. Will there be another chipset releasing with Zen 3, or is X570 the last AM4 chipset before they move to a new socket? I'm thinking about upgrading to X570 now if it's the latter, but I don't want to do that if there's going to be another batch of new motherboards coming out.
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