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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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HACO said:
Microsoft is surely and slowly adding to Windows on ARM. Right now all Microsoft Windows apps (I know, low bar) are available native on ARM. This wasn't the case 6 months ago. Office wasn't available on ARM (it ran through full emulation), now it's hybrid (core functionality is native, extensions are still x86).

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-makes-more-progress-with-64-bit-Windows-on-ARM.465903.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-on-ARM-64-bit-app-support-inbound.296430.0.html

You hear about them every month. Microsoft is pushing ahead with Windows on ARM. There are also ARM Chromebooks now and they're excellent products.

As for the "show me the ARM chip" question, there aren't many because we're at the beginning of this transition. ARM servers are already here (AWS) and more will come (Ampere Altra). Fujistu ARM workstations will arrive this year, Apple ARM macs will come this year, and more and more laptops and eventually ARM desktops will come. It hasn't yet at this very moment, but pretending like it's not happening doesn't make it go away, it is happening.
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When will an ARM CPU run Insurgency at 300+ FPS, render height maps faster in World Machine, bake textures in Substance Designer and bake lighting in Unreal Engine faster than X86 from Intel / AMD?
 
HACO said:
That was like email on 2004 smartphones :D
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No it wasn't.
It was full fat Office 2013 then Microsoft killed off Windows RT and never updated it.

And ARM native Windows app support again was back there when Microsoft did it back with Windows RT

And again, Surface X is absolute crap because of ARM and Windows.

Microsoft and ARM is pretty much worse than it was when they did Surface RT.
 
Martini1991 said:
No it wasn't.
It was full fat Office 2013 then Microsoft killed off Windows RT and never updated it.

And ARM native Windows app support again was back there when Microsoft did it back with Windows RT

And again, Surface X is absolute crap because of ARM and Windows.

Microsoft and ARM is pretty much worse than it was when they did Surface RT.
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This really is, and I hate to say it, just fantasy. Surface X is decent, and is now a lot better than when it was released. Not a product that I'd recommend but "much worse than RT" means we're just not talking about the same universe.
 
HACO said:
Their chips are already on par with x86 (ahead on IPC, behind on clock). Apple has been making their own chips for 10 years now, they could have moved to ARM anytime if it was just about profits, but it just happened to be now that their chips are more or less on par with x86 in terms of performance. But I know I know, all about profits. They were just so stupid to figure out "Apple silicon on Mac!" 5 or 10 years ago, nothing to do with performance at all.
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Do you still stand by that ^^^ ?
 
HACO said:
This really is, and I hate to say it, just fantasy. Surface X is decent, and is now a lot better than when it was released. Not a product that I'd recommend but "much worse than RT" means we're just not talking about the same universe.
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The Surface X is £1000.
It should be more than "decent"

Every review I've seen if has been mediocre and it's sticking point is performance.

Windows RT when the Surface 2 came out as limited as it was, was a competent experience because it wasn't as unpowered as the original RT

But you're the one living in an ARM fantasy lol.
 
And I'm not ragging on ARM as it has its place and is very good.

But I just can not accept "Microsoft taking ARM serious" because it's not what I'm seeing.

Also, Surface Pro X at £1K being slow than the £700 Surface Pro 7 lol.
 
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