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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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humbug said:
Yes actually. What they said was "Fourth generation Ryzen" what do you think that is?
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Can you link to this quote somewhere? I've been paying close attention to all news from the very start of the year, and they've said Zen3, but not Ryzen other than the likes of the Ryzen 4000 laptop parts which are Zen2.
 
Journey said:
Can you link to this quote somewhere? I've been paying close attention to all news from the very start of the year, and they've said Zen3, but not Ryzen other than the likes of the Ryzen 4000 laptop parts which are Zen2.
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Its 3 hours long....

Ask at @FoxEye if he can remember exactly where he got this quote.

The fourth-generation Ryzen chips will arrive at the end of this year, but AMD says that the full range of consumer products, which includes desktop CPUs, should all be available by the end of 2021.
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AdoredTV also talked about it... its a good watch if you haven't seen it already.

 
Journey said:
AMD FAD mentions nothing about Ryzen 4xxx Zen 3 based parts, unless I missed it. Only Forest talking about Zen3 EPYC by end of 2020.
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I'm not going to comb though 3 hours of complex technical ramblings for a single sentence, so we will just have to disagree but any news outlets also think Ryzen 4000 will be out this year.

Zen 3 is expected to launch “later this year,” for consumer hardware, while Zen 3 for enterprise is expected in “late 2020.” One implication of that is that Zen 3 arrives for desktop between May and August, while we might see enterprise shipments in November / December. Also, AMD is no longer referring to any of its 7nm products as being built on 7nm+, reportedly due to a shift in TSMC’s nomenclature. AMD’s upcoming Zen 3 CPUs may still be based on a non-EUV process node.
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https://www.extremetech.com/computi...2020-zen-3-infinity-fabric-3-and-3d-packaging



Why don't you show us from what you are so convinced of your argument, because you're going against the grain here and its not clear why.
 
humbug said:
Why don't you show us from what you are so convinced of your argument, because you're going against the grain here and its not clear why
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I'm not 'against' it, but there is nothing concrete from AMD committing them to releasing Zen3 based desktop in 2020, they said nothing other than Zen3 will be released in 2020, and that EPYC is year end.

Quoting a news site using interpretations of what was said is not a quote from AMD, just the interpretation of that news site.

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Journey said:
I'm not 'against' it, but there is nothing concrete from AMD committing them to releasing Zen3 based desktop in 2020, they said nothing other than Zen3 will be released in 2020, and that EPYC is year end.

Quoting a news site using interpretations of what was said is not a quote from AMD, just the interpretation of that news site.

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Ignoring what you think they did or didn't say:

Ryzen 1000: February 2017
Ryzen 2000: April 2018 (+14 Months)
Ryzen 3000: June 2019 (+14 Months)
Ryzen 4000: August 2020?

When do you think Ryzen 4000 will be launched and why?
 
humbug said:
Ignoring what you think they did or didn't say:
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I've watched it, you haven't... they didn't mention Ryzen 4xx Zen3 based dates, full stop end of story. Unless you go and watch it you'll never, ever know.

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When do you think Ryzen 4000 will be launched and why?
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I've already said when, what and why. This year isn't like previous years, and it could get worse before it gets better.
 
Journey said:
I've watched it, you haven't... they didn't mention Ryzen 4xx Zen3 based dates, full stop end of story. Unless you go and watch it you'll never, ever know.



I've already said when, what and why. This year isn't like previous years, and it could get worse before it gets better.
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I have watched it.

Corona Virus. We are not going to be beating our step farther with a gardening implement in 28 days.

And you think 2021, mid 2021? so when will Zen 3 EPYC be released?
 
Journey said:
You've literally read nothing I have written, in the last how many posts?

Zen3 EPYC - end of 2020 as per the FAD.
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So because of the global financial problems Corona Virus is going cause AMD will delay Zen 3 Ryzen but not Zen 3 EPYC.

Whats your reasoning for Delaying Zen 3 Ryzen but not Zen 3 EPYC, how would world events effect AMD in such a way that they would delay Zen 3 but only in consumer Desktop form?
 
I can't frankly be arsed to repeat myself if you can't be bothered to read the posts already made, with the answers to the very questions you are asking that started you on this weird argument in the first place.

Go and read the post above yours from 12:22 (ish)...
 
Journey said:
I can't frankly be arsed to repeat myself if you can't be bothered to read the posts already made, with the answers to the very questions you are asking that started you on this weird argument in the first place.

Go and read the post above yours from 12:22 (ish)...
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You accept that AMD have said Zen 3 in some form or another will be launched this year, you just don't accept they are in any way specific about which product family. But are insisting its Ryzen that gets the push and it is EPYC that will get launched this year, not Ryzen. Because Corona.

Given that the first of a new product family to be released is always Ryzen with EPYC launching later you're also proposing that AMD have inverted their product family launch steeping, i don't follow this logic and you haven't explained this logic.

Edit: did you think EPYC was launched before Ryzen? Then i could understand it.
 
I think ryzen desktop will be about around September/october although depending on yields the 16 core coming later maybe January if it follows from how they handled zen 2 and then threadripper coming in the spring with APUs coming next summer.
 
Jebus, you are hard work.

Why does AMD have to release Ryzen before EPYC just because they have done so in the past?

I have taken data from the FAD which Forrest Norrod, on stage with a slide in accompaniment, said that EPYC Zen3 is out in 2020, there was no mention committing to Ryzen 4xxx Zen3 based CPU's in 2020, nor was there an announcement to the negative either.

Provide factual first hand information from AMD to the contrary then we can continue this 'discussion'.
 
^^^ corona virus will impact production on any scale a little bit too . EU seems to be running at lowest stocks from most vendors/AIB :(
PSUs are behind production in China =(

hopefully AMD will take a leaf out of Intel and slow to release Zen3 if under no threat from Intel or release it and charge the Premium Price, Buyers will be left with either Zen2 or 3 so still win win over 10th core intel . Still dont think 11th will hit end of Q4
 
Journey said:
Jebus, you are hard work.

Why does AMD have to release Ryzen before EPYC just because they have done so in the past?

I have taken data from the FAD which Forrest Norrod, on stage with a slide in accompaniment, said that EPYC Zen3 is out in 2020, there was no mention committing to Ryzen 4xxx Zen3 based CPU's in 2020, nor was there an announcement to the negative either.

Provide factual first hand information from AMD to the contrary then we can continue this 'discussion'.
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EPYC is always after Ryzen, there is a reason for this, its to break the lithography node in, the quality and yield improves the more it gets used.

Even if we accept that Zen 3 'is in some form delayed' for that form to be Ryzen is another leap, one that has no logic, what's more given Ryzen is the product used to break in the node then Zen 3 EPYC is also not the product family coming in 2020.

With the utmost respect, and i really don't mean you any disrespect... but you're argument reads like confirmation bias. Its as if you're fixated on Zen 3 Ryzen and are trying to make the pieces fit, because it requires you to make more leaps that have no reasoning.
 
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